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| When you look at Chester at any game he looks defeated before the match even kicks off. It is no wonder the team is short of confidence and lacking motivation.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"When you look at Chester at any game he looks defeated before the match even kicks off. It is no wonder the team is short of confidence and lacking motivation.'"
Yet you are just a Ray of sunshine and motivation
I can't see any other coach doing cartwheels down the touch line.
You do find some creative ways to make your 'I don't like CC'
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| I am not employed in a motivational position, but part of his job is to be wouldn’t you agree. I note that you like to defend Chester so why do you think he deserves a contract extension.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I am not employed in a motivational position, but part of his job is to be wouldn’t you agree. I note that you like to defend Chester so why do you think he deserves a contract extension.'"
No. I just like to point out your repetitive posts.
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| Quote ="PopTart"No. I just like to point out your repetitive posts.'"
You don't seem to be able to answer his question PT. What are your reasons for thinking CC deserves an extension to his contract??
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| Quote ="alegend"Do not forget Hood'"
We’ve finally decided to bring Dallas hood back?
Man alive he was the best Aussie raffle ticket salesman we ever had
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"When you look at Chester at any game he looks defeated before the match even kicks off. It is no wonder the team is short of confidence and lacking motivation.'"
I would say that’s because he is defeated before he starts
The guy is abject at best
Lovely fella though
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| Quote ="Redscat"You don't seem to be able to answer his question PT. What are your reasons for thinking CC deserves an extension to his contract??'"
I've never said he does deserve one. I point that out every time you and Scar make that point.
All I'm saying is if we change it has to be better than what we have and I don't agree with Scarlets assessment that just because Chester doesn't look as happy as Scarlett wants him to be he isn't a good coach.
I agree with the points made that our structure isn't as good as it has been and we are no always performing to our full potential but i don't put that 100% on Chester's shoulders like some of you do. Injuries, Covid and individual player ability has affected that a great deal.
When people are down on Chester they point to Watson or Powell as shining lights yet they are suffering exactly the same way when they have injuries or covid issues.
Its just a difficult time for the club, and rugby league in general and I think just getting through this period the best we can is what is needed and then regroup. More upheaval will not benefit the team unless its to bring in someone who can manage the team in this current climate better than Chester.
I assure you I'll say goodbye to Mr Chester if we are bringing a JD or Craig Bellamy or even Nathan Brown but not for an assistant coach with no experience or an equally failing SL coach who will just recruit the same old fringe players or a successful SL coach who was only successful because he had money......which they won't have with us.
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| I am sorry PT but he has had longer than any coach would expect to turn things around. We are doing the same things in attack that we have been guilty of for two seasons. The buck stops with him despite his best efforts to blame everything and anyone else for the team’s performances.
We need a complete shake up which at most clubs starts with the coach. How do you know who will apply and let’s face it the bar is set low to be better than Chester. With his contract expiring why are no other clubs appearing to want to employ him.
He had his time and like all coaches they reach their sell by date, his was at the end of last season and I am being generous. The club have the final decision but I hope they consider the lost revenue that I believe will result in us extending his contract further. A further consideration is that it look likes four teams are heading for relegation at the end of next season and based on our current results and league position do you actually believe next season things will be different.
I am not a ray of sunshine because I have witnessed at least two seasons of in the majority of games dull, clueless rugby. I actually fear for our SL survival if we continue the way we are but the club appears to not be aware of this if this think giving Chester a two or three year extension is the answer.
I am going to leave it at that and allow his coaching to speak for his ability because we all know he will or probably has already agreed the extension.
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| Quote ="BOJ042"Andrew Fifta'"
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| Quote ="1315trinity"???'"
I think that he is answering the question posed by this thread ie recruitment
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| Quote ="Luppylad"For me we needed a change at coaching level new ideas etc etc, but it does look as itscoming i really do think next season will be our last in sl'"
LOL what a surprise, bet you can't wait. Do change the Flippin record.
You have no idea how the team will shape up for next year any more than I do.
I find it hard to believe that you are the long-time fan that you claim to be. Anyone who's supported this club, certainly in SL, will know that a small feast always follows famine.
2000-2003 pretty terrible - 2004 Brilliant
2005 poor, 2006 awfull- 2007 8th -2008 8th + CC semi final 2009 5th!
2010 to 2011 poor - 2012 8th
2013 to 2015 poor - 2016 8th, 2017 5th, 2018 a very unlucky 9th
2019 to present poor
Do you not see a pattern?
All teams go in cycles, it's just that ours are more modest and more frequent due, certainly in the past, to a financial inability to keep key players. Despite what people choose to think, all the coaching in the world will not compensate for our inability to keep and or recruit the highest calibre players, it just won't. Once in a blue moon, a Trinity type club will have an epic season but without the cash to build it simply can't last and that is our story. Getting rid of CC won't change that, not even in the short term, that's just a fans fantasy. CC can easily be saved by the addition of a few key players, they don't even need to be well known, just right for the club and that's up to him and I support him in that aim.
You can name as many potential and above all realistic coaching/player as signings you want but the results will be the same. More to the point name the ones who would actually come, that's a far shorter list.
If you all want to see the root cause of our problems go down to BV right now as it's a grey day and just stand in the car park and really look at the place. Then ask yourself how do you sell this to players and coaches and above all fans and sponsors. Be honest, don't pretend it just takes a bit of effort and creativity because that's b*llocks!
Then drive to Headingley or Saints and take a look. We are not talking about different worlds here but different universes. Yes, Cas are currently a bit of an anomaly but I suspect SL only has room for one of those. The fact that we compete at all on any level is staggering and if we do get relegated it's probably long overdue. Yet somehow I don't think we will. Sadly I don't see us at the top of SL any time soon.
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| I may be wrong but I thought we finished 5th two years running?
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| Quote ="Two Points"I may be wrong but I thought we finished 5th two years running?'"
I've just followed wiki but tbh I thought similar so if you can find it feel free to correct me, helps my point even more.
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| From Wikiwand 'In 2018, Wakefield finished 7th on the table at the end of the Super League XXIII season. The club went on to finish 5th at the end of the Super 8's.'
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| Quote ="Two Points"From Wikiwand 'In 2018, Wakefield finished 7th on the table at the end of the Super League XXIII season. The club went on to finish 5th at the end of the Super 8's.''"
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| Quote ="vastman"LOL what a surprise, bet you can't wait. Do change the Flippin record.
You have no idea how the team will shape up for next year any more than I do.
I find it hard to believe that you are the long-time fan that you claim to be. Anyone who's supported this club, certainly in SL, will know that a small feast always follows famine.
2000-2003 pretty terrible - 2004 Brilliant
2005 poor, 2006 awfull- 2007 8th -2008 8th + CC semi final 2009 5th!
2010 to 2011 poor - 2012 8th
2013 to 2015 poor - 2016 8th, 2017 5th, 2018 a very unlucky 9th
2019 to present poor
Do you not see a pattern?
All teams go in cycles, it's just that ours are more modest and more frequent due, certainly in the past, to a financial inability to keep key players. Despite what people choose to think, all the coaching in the world will not compensate for our inability to keep and or recruit the highest calibre players, it just won't. Once in a blue moon, a Trinity type club will have an epic season but without the cash to build it simply can't last and that is our story. Getting rid of CC won't change that, not even in the short term, that's just a fans fantasy. CC can easily be saved by the addition of a few key players, they don't even need to be well known, just right for the club and that's up to him and I support him in that aim.
You can name as many potential and above all realistic coaching/player as signings you want but the results will be the same. More to the point name the ones who would actually come, that's a far shorter list.
If you all want to see the root cause of our problems go down to BV right now as it's a grey day and just stand in the car park and really look at the place. Then ask yourself how do you sell this to players and coaches and above all fans and sponsors. Be honest, don't pretend it just takes a bit of effort and creativity because that's b*llocks!
Then drive to Headingley or Saints and take a look. We are not talking about different worlds here but different universes. Yes, Cas are currently a bit of an anomaly but I suspect SL only has room for one of those. The fact that we compete at all on any level is staggering and if we do get relegated it's probably long overdue. Yet somehow I don't think we will. Sadly I don't see us at the top of SL any time
And there you go vasty you prove my point rather than your own the upturn in results and league postions all come about from a change in coach within a year or so before.(coaches do need a bit of time to implement there ideas and get the players for there plans) then those same coaches go down the same route even kear and we are seeing the same now whith cc all coaches at all clubs reach a time where they can no longer produce great season by the club there at standards.with regards getting relagated the only reason we aint in serious trouble this year is because a club where thrown into sl a few weeks before the season started and where behind all other sl clubs with regards preparation.our own form season by season is getting worse 5 wins in 19 last season 4 in 16 so far this 2019 was again a very poor with 18 been about our standard and theprevious 2 been excellent.
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| Quote ="barrajacks"Lachlan Walmsley young aussie fullback/wing from whitehaven watch this space he's on his way next season'"
Been a standout for Whitehaven this season, who are currently 7th at the moment.
Think that could be a very shrewd signing for you guys.
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| How many coaches survived the years of famine to be replaced by one which resulted in the more successful season.
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| Quote ="Luppylad"
No, it doesn't prove the point at all. McNally went from hero to zero in two seasons. Jk was good then he was not then he was not. Ditto Agar.
Are you saying they are all poor coaches?
It's not the coach who dipped it's the team. CC, JK, and Agar all found a formula but none could maintain it.
The way to avoid that is not to sack the coach but to refresh and improve the team on a yearly basis. And that my friend is the issue and the one nobody can solve and one that cannot be addressed by sacking the coach.
Two perfect examples.
Fifita and Kirmond. Two players, we looked like we could build a team around for a few seasons. Problem? They both cost us so much to keep we couldn't add any other quality players or certainly not enough. Then there are injuries, that's a whole different ballgame and affects all clubs. Problem is? When Fifita and Kirmond got injured we simply didn't have the players to cope or the money to bring in reinforcements. When Warrington has this problem they reach for the checkbook.
What size cheques do you think CC has to cash.
You and a few others live in a fantasy world, I'd just love to see how you would cope if you had to make the decision, You, I'd give about three weeks before you had a meltdown. Tends to be the way with moaners.
We are fortunate we can pay the players we have. all we can do is support them and the club.
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| What you are saying is that the club paid too much to two players which means they had none left to improve the squad. We now know the problems of the club and coach rests with two players what a relief I thought it was much more complicated. I suppose you could email your new friend and tell him what he did wrong so he does not make the same mistake again.
What a load of tosh when we first came into SL we received no funding other than from the championship clubs. We put together a team made up from our championship squad plus a few fringe players and antipodean journey men. What we did have was A Kelly who the players admired and wanted to play for. We may not have been the best but we went into each game knowing we might not win but definitely knew we would try right to the end. The end result was that we survived so money isn’t everything but creating a team that wants to play for each other and be fully motivated is and having a game plan.
We could look back at the Salford team who invested heavily in so called star players but this failed because they played like individuals and not as a team, so money isn’t everything.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"What you are saying is that the club paid too much to two players which means they had none left to improve the squad. We now know the problems of the club and coach rests with two players what a relief I thought it was much more complicated. I suppose you could email your new friend and tell him what he did wrong so he does not make the same mistake again.
What a load of tosh when we first came into SL we received no funding other than from the championship clubs. We put together a team made up from our championship squad plus a few fringe players and antipodean journey men. What we did have was A Kelly who the players admired and wanted to play for. We may not have been the best but we went into each game knowing we might not win but definitely knew we would try right to the end. The end result was that we survived so money isn’t everything but creating a team that wants to play for each other and be fully motivated is and having a game plan.
We could look back at the Salford team who invested heavily in so called star players but this failed because they played like individuals and not as a team, so money isn’t everything.'"
Simple questions.
Have you ever run a pro RL club? If not how do you know what you claim to know? You don't, you're so full of poop I can smell it from here.
How do you know the players don't admire CC? You don't, as ever you're just guessing to suit your sour agenda.
If they admired AK so much then why did they get him sacked, what a ridiculous man you are at times.
The only person talking tosh is you, You are an armchair expert who's never seen the club's balance sheet, never been involved with the current team at any level. You have no idea as to the long-term plans and aims of the club. In other words, you know nothing and I don't need to e-mail Michael Carter to work that one out.
Whatever flaws exist in the abilities of both MC and CC, when compared to you they are a lion to a flea, in fact not even a flea but a flea bite. Get a life and stop pretending you have any idea as to what's going on behind the scenes, you don't.
The only way you could impress me or make me change my opinion of you is if you were to buy the club and then run it to the standards you require and by doing so visibly improve the club. So what's stopping you? Put your money where your mouth is, I believe it's still available for a pound.
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| After Kear, McNally has been the best coach we've had, he had a 'leader' as captain in Ellis but unfortunately Gareth outgrew the club.
When we sold Gareth we never replaced him and got bent over by Julian O'Neill, who used us as a way to get back to Widnes, this was unfortunately McNally's demise.
Special mention also goes to John Harbin, he'd get these players playing.
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| No vastman what i am saying and somthing you rather unknowing made my point for me is that coaches come and do well and then they decline .you clearly pointed out our good and bad seasons which shows majority of the good times is when we had a relatively new coach and the worse times when these coaches have been in place a while and your post proved(not though you will admit) i am not for 1 minute saying they are poor coaches havent even said cc is i say they come to end of there life spam at that club.for me like many others CC is now at that point and however you look at it results prove it. As for money yes we dont have a big cheque bookbut neither did he in 2017 or did kear etc etc thats why you have to spend the money wisley and over the last 2 season think its fair to say this happened for what ever reason.
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