Michael Carter is now officially CEO. John Minards officially chairman. So yes I suppose Minards out ranks Carter. But they are both equal share holders. I think you are right. The stumbling block is Carter and one of the main reason he wont sack chester is because it was his primary decision to give him a long contract and a ridiculously large salary. If he sacked him he could loose face and admit he made the wrong call with chester.

However Carter dosnt hold a share holding majority so he could be out voted by the other directors if the had the bottle to do so.

Looks like an ex director at the club is start8ng o cause trouble by going to the press.

Forget trying to save money in the present situation, if Chester must go he should be paid up and more money made available for either a new head coach or assistant coach.
The club should get Poaching in now and see how the players respond over the next couple of games.

From someone who is not a Trin fan, that's how I see it from the outside looking in.

Ask yourself whether you would be motivated to bust a gut for an employer that:
- Didn't exactly offer the best renumeration anyway, but at least you can accept that as a trade-off for potentially a 2-year deal instead of a 1-year one.
- Was one of the last to agree a post-COVID pay deal with the players union.
- After agreeing said deal, made a sinister public comment that "we will remember those that didn't work with us" to the press.
- Went on a fan's forum to belittle the concerns of a player who felt he needed to take a second job during the lockdown, arguing "I wish I earned what he did when I was 21" (despite that likely being 30+ years ago).
- Has seen the company named and shamed by HMRC for breaching minimum wage regulations.
- Has backed his coach as he spoke to the media about sacking players in the coming weeks.

Carter is free to run the club how he wants and he and Chester are free to treat the players how they want (within the law), but they aren't free to expect that doing so will come without consequences and I would argue that recent results are a consequence of those actions. You can talk about the player's "professionalism" and "getting on with it", but the club has a duty to ensure that the players feel valued and motivated. I've worked for people who display the sort of behaviours that Carter seems to do in public and if there is only one thing that they are universally good at, it is demotivating and driving good people out of a business - and business results suffer as a result.

From the outside looking in, Wakefield's problems aren't necessarily about a lack of talent - the much bigger issue is about a lack of respect for the players and a poor culture at the very top.

I don’t think any club owners should give in to player power. The club isn’t run from the dressing rooms. Players are paid to perform on the field. If the players won’t perform because they don’t see eye to eye with the coach, then those dissatisfied players should leave.How many of you on here would continue to work for an employer you detested?. If you continued to work for that employer, but your work ethos falls then your employer has every right to dismiss you. Sadly, this may be the case at BV, but professional players should perform on the field, and not be given control of the dressing room.

Should Chester end up leaving I hope the players involved get the opportunity to sit with MC/JM on the interview panel for his replacement.

Carter’s response here: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... r-22880055

Carter’s response here: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... r-22880055

At this stage I’m not sure it matters if you hold the players responsible or the coach for the dire run of form. The clubs become a laughing stock, the players are openly slating the coach in the media, the coach is slating the players and Carter seems to think we can just carry on regardless!
I’m sorry but you simply cannot continue to back Chester he clearly has lost the support of the dressing room. At this stage the best thing for all parties would be for Chester to go. Bring in a new coach who can have a free hit till the end of the season and decide who he wants to keep and which areas need strengthening. The dream pick would be Mr Watson at Salford. I’d love to see what he could do with some of our squad. I fear that failure to do this (replace Chester not necessarily bring in Watson as I realise that’s a bit of a pipe dream at this stage) will result in a continued appalling run of form which will alienate even more fans and also lead to us losing star players in the off season. I’d be very surprised if Tanginoa, Tupou and Johnstone weren’t already being tapped up.

After seeing Carter's reply I think the call for Chester's head is counter productive.
He's closer than us and says the claims are unfair.

And of course we don't know where they came from.
Could be Fifita still upset about the tracker
Could be Gigot not liking being dropped when we all agreed with that.
Could be somebody's dad giving info 3rd hand.

Needs sorting but not necessarily by just sacking people.

Sadly, for this once great club, leaving it until next year could be the beginning of the end for us

We have our answer friendship wins out over the club. I wonder how many supporters will go along with this decision if the performances continue to decline and we go through the expected blood bath at the end of the season.

That Chester will be in charge for 2021 season commencing is not news. That aside I don't have a problem with much of what Carter has said in that article to be honest. At the very least he put his name to it instead of insulting us all by running anonymously to a hack in a frankly cowardly manner.

Quote ="Willzay"Carter’s response here: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... r-22880055'" I'm not sure why Carter needs to take such a combative approach on this sort of thing. I've said on another thread that he seems completely devoid of empathy, and this is another example of that. Given what Carter has said in the press previously about how he will deal with dissention in the ranks, I really don't see how saying "we're doing it this way and if anyone has an issue with this, grow a pair and speak to me" is the right approach. You might not be the player who ran to the press but it may be that you agree with the sentiment of the complaint and if you're a player looking at Carter's past remarks, at a time when you're possibly worried about your contract position, you're not going to stick your head above the paraphet in that way. RL players have no shortage of "balls", but they do have a shortage of job and financial security. This isn't a hidden issue. It's one that's in full view for all to see so it is Carter that should be the one making the first move and offering the olive branch here. He should be the one coming forward and speaking to the senior playing group about their concerns - constructively, and setting out his and Chester's vision - not sitting in his office and waiting for them to come to him with their complaint.

Quote ="Willzay"Carter’s response here: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... r-22880055'" I'm not sure why Carter needs to take such a combative approach on this sort of thing. I've said on another thread that he seems completely devoid of empathy, and this is another example of that. Given what Carter has said in the press previously about how he will deal with dissention in the ranks, I really don't see how saying "we're doing it this way and if anyone has an issue with this, grow a pair and speak to me" is the right approach. You might not be the player who ran to the press but it may be that you agree with the sentiment of the complaint and if you're a player looking at Carter's past remarks, at a time when you're possibly worried about your contract position, you're not going to stick your head above the paraphet in that way. RL players have no shortage of "balls", but they do have a shortage of job and financial security. This isn't a hidden issue. It's one that's in full view for all to see so it is Carter that should be the one making the first move and offering the olive branch here. He should be the one coming forward and speaking to the senior playing group about their concerns - constructively, and setting out his and Chester's vision - not sitting in his office and waiting for them to come to him with their complaint.

He should be but that isn't his way. He can have a very annoying trait of rubbing people up the wrong way, even though some of our fans seem to think he is some sort of untouchable messiah.

And another thing about that staement, other than signing the cheques for the use of facilities he should nothing to do with any of the planning of training! That is 100% the coaching staffs remit.

Unless there is a group of players who are desperate for the club to work things out and felt they had no choice.

Equally, however, it could be fans passing on workplace moans made by players that should never make it to the press.

It isn't going to make Chester go, and it isn't going to encourage any player to sign.

But Chezzie can’t win a game PT, surely that’s the issue,

I hope Wakey resolves it’s issues quickly, this year has been bad enough.

Two things,

One, there is cancer at Wakefield and there has been for decades. This is just a continuation of a saga that has been running since the 1970s.

It's like groundhog day. New people come in, they build a team and just as it starts to look like we finally might be getting somewhere it all falls to poop. Same issues over and over again and it all seems to revolve around the attitude of the players versus the management with a good deal of local gossip and self-interest thrown in.

I don't go as far back as some but I'm told Toppo was basically pushed out because the BOD and the players who had improved under him couldn't agree on what they were worth.

Look at McNally, 2004 players hero, 2005 they hated him to a man. Tony Smith, first games in charge instant success, following season the players hated him, even Agar, did well to start then bang, players hated him.

There is a pattern here and painful though it is maybe now is the time to break the cycle.

I have no wish to back CC, I think it's too late and he isn't good enough as a motivator. However, if he's staying breaks the 'player power' that has held this club back for years it may be worth it. However it's not just the players, there are clearly people lurking behind the scenes who are just as culpable, the whole place needs to be flushed out. That's what Salford did, that's what Leeds did when GH took charge, they washed away the past and started again.

Maybe I'm wrong with the detail, I am however right about the real issue. These problems were at the club long before CC and MC and must be tackled.

Two, if you want a clue then take what MC said some month back at the start of COVID. He said he was surprised by the reaction of some players to pay cuts and that he wouldn't forget those who supported him or those who didn't.

There is where it started, there is your problem and it's not just to do with CC. There is clearly a split amongst the player and you don't need to be Sherlock to work it out. That's' why the performances have been so patchy IMHO and why some players seem committed and some don't. Looking from the outside as fans do it's hard to know who's right, it always is. We as fans now need to choose who we back, the Coach (at least short term) and the BOD or a dissident group of players with an agenda of their own?

Tricky one if you have the ability to think deeply rather than just get angry and demand a head on a plate.

Quote ="Willzay"Carter’s response here: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... r-22880055'" Well good luck with the season ticket sales and next year's recruitment MC. Perhaps the players might show the 'balls' to speak with you if your mind wasn't already made up ! Its reassuring to know that you're helping to plan the training too ... unbelievable!

Quote ="Willzay"Carter’s response here: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... r-22880055'" Well good luck with the season ticket sales and next year's recruitment MC. Perhaps the players might show the 'balls' to speak with you if your mind wasn't already made up ! Its reassuring to know that you're helping to plan the training too ... unbelievable!

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... ak-3010385 Seems the club lockdown went well.........

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... ak-3010385 Seems the club lockdown went well.........

He'll be picking the team yet. Oh, wait a minute, according to some,that has happened in a previous regime

You can read that how you want -
My take would be that he sees the plans "for" and not actually involved in the planning "of"....

The problem is we were playing badly long before the lockdown so the usual it’s all down to money doesn’t apply. The attitude of the coach and CEO does, which reading the way each post to the press I am surprised anyone would want to join our club.

You've forgot (surprisingly) the attitude of the players......

Chester and carter think they're bigger than the club, loyalty is one thing blatant stupidity is another, chester will eventually do for carter.
What do you think players are going to say or do when they get thrown under a bus and accused of moving out of the way, not trying, poor attitude and publically threatening then with the sack. Hes committed the cardinal sin and hung them out to dry in public and carter can say what he wants the players will get him.
Why is carter involved in the planning of training sessions its ridiculous, they dont see the bigger picture we need a new pack.
God it's like a jolly boys club I couldn't care less if they both went.

No decent player will want to join us but I bet a lot will want to leave. The attitude of the team stems from that of the coach and I didn’t need to use red lettering. It is true some will be able to motivate themselves but like all of us each will be different and the skill is to know how to handle each to get the best out of them.