You have completely missed the point!

Watson had a shocking run 2017/18 but was not sacked...he then repaid that favour last season. If after that run, which is similar to our last 12-18 months they had sacked him...would they have reached the grand final last season?

I’m not saying we’re going to get to finals...to be honest though you could assemble the best coaching staff in the history of rugby league and we’d be struggling!

The fact is, unless a Wakey fan wins the euro millions and pumps it into the club then we’re always going to be flirting round the bottom end of the table with the possibility of sneaking into the playoffs if we had some real good luck with injuries...

Maybe what’s needed most of all is some harsh decisions on our so called top stars who spend more time on the sidelines than on the pitch?

I never said all fans who aren't happy are grudge fans. Far from it!! There are grudge fans. Not many, but there certainly are some! Also if genuine folk want a change in coach, it doesn't fuss me. I get it. In every sport, some fans want change, some fans dont. We're no different.
One of my points was the past 18 months has been incredibly difficult for the club and it's been extremely trying for Chezzy and the coaches and I've empathy with that.
But you've cleared it up for me if I was in any doubt, you want a new coach

The difference between us and Salford is when there Coach took over they were skint ,and people were saying there would not survive the season .last year they had at least 5 players move on to bigger clubs .Mr Chester took over a good fit squad witch.after 2 season needed tweaking and we gone down hill from there big time .Ever though were we would be if our 5 best players ad moved on at the same time .

Watson took over as coach in 2015..

Your post and that of Mick Amos' earlier were two very good posts imo giving sensible arguments for each school of thought, but on consideration I have to agree that your version of the state of affairs is the correct one, Avenger. The style of play and the results of the last two seasons are just unacceptable, and I'm afraid if Mr Carter still wants a Super League side in the seasons to come he's just got to bite the bullet and tell Chris Chester that his tenure is over or CC has to admit that he's lost the plot and resign. Nobody likes to lose their job, but it's a fact of life, sadly.

I seem to remember a short while ago Chris Chester making the public announcement on the following lines; " Signing Danny Brough is the last piece in the jigsaw in bringing success to Wakefield Trinity." or words to that effect. Nuff said!!

Think that piece of the jigsaw belonged somewhere else. Didn’t belong in the Wakey one.

There was nothing wrong with the Brough signing half way through last season before he got injured and others....

And now, as many keep saying, he's the type of player we're missing.

He may have been a couple of seasons past his best but that's probably why we could afford him.

Just watching Hudds v Leeds...a very ordinary game but for me Sezer the clear difference between the two, ending sets well. They look a much better outfit with him on the field from what I've seen of them..

If something has happened behind the scenes that us fans don’t know about then Chester has my support as a bloke!

If you’re just referring to the stuff we all know about such as injuries, Covid-19 then he’s not dealing with anything that every other club has also been dealing with!

As for Watson, despite protestations above, Watson has had the lowest budget in SL. His club was transferred to a fans consortium and they very much looked like they might fold post Koukash making it almost impossible to recruit players. Even then he pulled a good team together only to see bigger clubs take players from his team for two years in a row. However, despite losing more than they win they at least looked like they cared, they were entertaining and well drilled. They showed that they could compete with the best and he took them to a Grand Final.

Finally, even the stats that you quote for winning and losing are still better than Chester’s.

It’s not that I want a new coach! It’s that I believe a new coach is an imperative if we are to avoid a relegation fight next year! This is a fact I’m not trying to hide so well done on sussing me out!

I'll be glad when this season is over and we can start to build for next, assuming we're gonna get some measure of normality.
The idea that we've had a decent undisrupted run at anything lately and that CC ought to go is absurd, but pretty typical of the misogynistic miserable attitude half this forum only live for to display.

Hopefully some overseas wages will go at seasons end, some youth may have come good and free some cash for a scrum half/ organiser with brain and boot.

You could have the finest ingredients in the world, but if you've got a poor chef, you're never going to get a michelin star meal

Er !!!! "=#FF0000Misogyny" happens to be defined as =#FF0000"The hatred of women and girls", Upanunder. What the heck as that got to do with CC????

Perhaps he means masochistic?

Brilliant post mate. 100% sensible and measured. Some utter hysteria on here. An apparent complete amnesia for the shocking injury situation we suffered last season. The whole game is in a state of flux. We need to survive as a club. We need to take a deep breath and realise this is not a normal situation. It's not great to see us with our backs to the wall. But we need to support not Knock at this time in my view.

Don't go confusing the hysterics with facts

Yep

"This farce of a season"
Don't know if you noticed but this thing called Covid 19 occurred. Kinda wiped all
Sports out..threatens the existence of rugby league as a sport and Wakefield trinity as a club. Think a dose of reality is required. And "last year" we had a shocking injury situation. Impossible to handle and hats off to all for keeping us up. As for fans who accept mediocrity. No we don't. , But we do accept reality and we do SUPPORT our club

Grudge fans a) bit of a contradiction in terms
B) wish we had 12000 of them that turned up and paid their money

As regards last couple years where it all seemed to go wrong was the Huddersfield away game lacking 6-7 first teamers (or 11 if you use the same method as some on here ! ) we thumped a much fancied Huddersfield team. After that we just never seemed to have shown the same team spirit - or maybe it coincided with Dave starting his fitness injury woes.

I think what we all find frustrating is that actually even with injuries we have a better team on paper than some that comprised entirely of kids loaners etc who still managed a better win average .

In current squad we have rookie of year 2017 in max jowitt, 3 players that have been in dream team. In virtually every position bar scrum half we have at least two experienced players with super league reputation

Potentially in next couple weeks Available

Jowitt walker gigot
Bjb Johnston Kay
Lynne tupo
Hampshire
Miller
Props battye coppi fifita green tanginoa navarette Tangata
Hookers wood woods
Second row ashurst tanginoa crowther batchelor Kirmond
Lf arona westerman

And that’s excluding gwaze aydin bailey Croft



Tbh if he can’t get a win out of these players

Forgot Pitts oops

We were not good prior to the Covid break but whatever happened during this time has not only caused the performances to worsen but the team spirit to deteriorate. It appears we are no longer comfortable as a team and are now just individuals. The furlough may have saved the club but not done much for the team.

Wasn’t dross though was it. We have played badly but not on Friday. You can’t have it both ways. If the performances are improving then surely the direction is positive. If they were the same or were getting worse you’d have a point.

Did Hull play at the same standard as Catalans or Warrington?

Why dont you tell us seeing as you believe you are the Oracle...

It's not a tricky question, but I guess you've figured out that by admitting that Hull didn't play as at the same standard as Catalans, that means that there might not have been the proclaimed improvement in Trinity's performance, but just that they appeared to play better because they faced a weaker opposition.

You could just as easily say our improved enthusiasm and defense caused Hull not to play as well.