Have you ever thought of replacing those worn out rose-coloured glasses, PT, and changing them for some good ones?

Just how bad do we have to continuously perform before you think that maybe it is time for a change of coaching and training staff? Genuine question.

If the bad performance was an exception that’s fine but unfortunately it is now becoming the norm. We are fast approaching another Webster end of season. If we lose heavily Sunday then it is down to us for playing when it probably could have been postponed.
I accept that some on here will accept a bad performance for what it is but it is those supporters who don’t follow the forum what will they think and how many will believe they have much better things to do than watch a basically boring team losing every week.
I have to admire both Salford and Hull KR who have taken the decision to play attractive rugby. I know they may lose but they do receive plaudits for giving it a go and Salford even won and were entertaining in doing so.
How many of you actually find the way we now play acceptable?

Let's face it. You won't like it whatever they do.
Clearly we are struggling but that is the time to support in my opinion.

I like the way we attempt to play and we get plenty of plaudits for entertaining rugby.

Even when we were cut down with injuries we tried to throw it around. We just need some fit players back and and a run of games together.

I could just as easily ask you when you will be realistic about our money and our injuries.
I'm not against change and I think we could certainly change some players and backroom staff but we don't have the money to do it and I've seen this same team and coach hammer some top teams and I don't want to bale out every time they have a bad run.
I believe sticking together as a team and supporting them is more important than going back to just changing coaches every year and starting with a new team every year.

Have you ever thought of stopping moaning and get behind and support the club?

The 58-0 is certainly getting some getting over because other than that we’ve not been bad this season.

No-one on here accepted that as any kind of performance and neither did the coaching staff.

Other than that though have things really been that bad?

A one point defeat to Wigan on our first game back...

A golden point loss at home to big spending aHull who can just go and sign three big stars from the NRL we could only dream of...

An away win at Salford who were grand finalists last year and coached by Ian Watson who everyone seems to think is some kind of coaching great.

A home win over a star studded Warrington side packed full of big names.

A loss at Cas (what’s new) but a better performance than the bare result suggested...we played really well first half to go in ahead but the game turned on a harsh sin binning that saw Cas register two converted tries while we were a man short...a gap we couldn’t recover from...

First game...yes a disappointing defeat at HKR...

On the whole though I wouldn’t say those results are anywhere near as bad as the doom and gloomers on here would have you believe!

In response, PT, I will continue supporting Trinity for as long as I possibly can and would love nothing more than to see them repeat the success of earlier times, which I was fortunate enough to witness (not as far back as 1908 though),, but what the heck has money and injuries got to do with the way we are currently playing and being coached. Or are you beginning to see yourself that more money would attract a better coach? as for changing coach every year I don't want to see that myself, but CC has now had about four seasons in charge; some of his coaching staff even longer, and we are still continuously scraping through by avoiding relegation more by good luck than good fortune. Are you genuinely happy to see substandard performances match after match, and going home disheartened after yet another poor display? OK, we have hammered some good teams, but sadly we have been on the wrong side of a hammering far more often. You appear to be the eternal optimist and no matter how bad we get your rhetoric would be the same.
I'm sure that we all want the same thing in the long run; a successful Wakefield Trinity

I don't think those that know me would call me a moaner.
I am passionate about Wakefield Trinity and have been for more years than I care to remember. Any way, since when has "moaning", as you say, defined a non-supporter. If any thing "moaning" would indicate ones desire to see ones team strive to perform better more so than those who are quite happy to bury their head in the sand and think that a couple of wins mean that everything is a bed of roses. OK, the HKR, Cas, Wigan & Hull matches were reasonable performances to a degree but the cold facts are that we STILL LOST!!
The fact remains in my opinion that the current level of coaching needs to improve drastically before we can start winning games like those that you mentioned.

I can't be bothered checking the exact stats but I would dispute that we have been "continuously scraping through" during Chester's tenure.

I find it hard to answer that because I think it's really clear that money and injuries make a massive difference.
If you can't pay as much as other clubs for players and coaching staff then either quality suffers or size of squad suffers
The fact we played a centre who although he has potential is probably 5th in line in the centre with a winger on debut and 2 training sessions and the other winger being a full back and part time half back tells you we are down on quality players.
If you could play our strongest back line we'd be better. It's as simple as that.
Same goes for forwards.

And as for the coach of course, if we had unlimited funds I'd have Ricky Stuart or Craig Bellamy..... But we haven't. So I'd rather stick with what we have for now.

I suppose it doesn’t help when we are the only SL not to make a GF or CCF appearance in the SL era. We were in the same boat (or as good as) as Cas when they got to Wembley. Likewise we all think we are equal to Salford and they got to OT. Catalans winning the CC. It’s the hope that kills you.

Two good posts there Redders, I suppose you have the answer to the problem when people on here are saying the coach needs some help, for me surely that implies he's not up to the job, I don't blame the players at all apart from the off days from individuals sometimes, but it's the same old mistakes every time, at one stage I would have refuted your claim that Poptart was the eternal optimist and would have nominated myself for that mantle looking for every excuse when we got beat, you can use that same old chestnut all you want and blame the finances but that excuse only goes so far, there's clearly something going wrong, you pay yer money and yer make yer choice.

Not too bothered about the end result on Sunday although a win would be a bonus .Just want us to roll our sleeves up and have a dig and come off the field at the end knowing we’ve give our all .Following Trin all these years has never been about the glory or I’d have turned a whino years ago ,it’s been about the underdog battling hard against the odds and not rolling over for anyone .Its in there somewhere it just need to come out and Sunday would be a great time .

Spare a thought then KK for us older ones who watched our great team when they were 'Top dogs"
Had brilliant players, coach and management, watched rugby league at it's brilliant fast flowing best (Of that era, of course!)
How it has hurt me and I'm sure many of my fellow old time supporters, to see us whimper down over the years to teams we used to thrash!
The difference between that era, and all the years since ? easy, we had a backer then, as all teams in SL have now except us.
(I say that tongue in cheek because I imagine MC and his colleagues have propped the club up financially on more than one occasion for which I am eternally grateful)
I was talking to the great Alex Murphy once who told me he HAD signed to come to Trinity in ther 1960's but a couple of days after our 'finance man' as he put it, died suddenly, and so did his transfer fee! Imagine that, the great AM playing for Trinity in that team!

Go and wash your mouth out right now.

Did we not have a 'better' team out the week before when we lost 58-0? If you could play our strongest backline we'd be better? We had a stronger backline out the week before and lost 58-0......explanations as to why please???! Did we not have smaller, 'weaker' squads in quality in 2017& 2018, when we finished 5th? explanations as to why please?

Because sport doesn't work that way.
Having them on the park and having them fit are two different things.
We didn't have a first choice team out did we. Tupou Lyne and Miller were our first choice players who played.

But you are giving supposed reasons for sub standard performances, i.e. injured backline etc against Catalans, no money meaning small or lack of quality in the squad etc. then you say sport doesn't work that way, which actually means you, I or anyone else for that matter has no idea if we'd have fared better if TJ, BJB, Lynne etc had have played anyway???! It's just an assumption because they are our 'first choice'? It's not that simple why we lost or played badly is it, it never is. The 58-0 was mainly down to an attitude thing, not all of it, but mostly down to that. I would say as a general thing, the performances over the last 12-14 months have been unacceptable from the players at Chesters' disposal at various times, in my opinion they have underperformed, but obviously this cannot be proven scientifically can it?! I suppose it's down to interpretation, expectations etc, which maybe some of us see differently than others. I think he is not getting the best out of these players, if you think otherwise then fair enough, but I can back my argument up with a win and loss ratio over the last 14 months, which can't be argued with can it?! because it's a fact.

So what is the answer, who do you replace him with?

Well like I said, it's only my opinion that he's not been getting the best out of these players, the person who most matters probably disagrees!! I don't have an answer, as re. who should replace him, I just think a new, fresh approach from someone different is needed, I think things have gone stale, and most coaches in most sports do have a shelf life unfortunately. He has had terrible luck with injuries since last April/May, there's no denying that, but that will only stretch so far as to why things have gone pear shaped since. Watching as a fan when we could actually go to games, and on TV, something just seems missing to me, just a hunger and desire maybe, I can't put my finger on it but the club hasn't had the same feeling to me like when we were on the crest of a wave a couple of years back. Maybe we overachieved those two years, and we've underachieved since then, and in reality we should be somewhere in the middle?! It's like now with the Fifita thing, it all adds fuel to the fire that something at the club isn't/hasn't been right for a while, I really don't know, it just seems a shame that we did so well for 2 years, and now it all seems to be unravelling and slowly falling apart.......

Come on PT, your first line contradicts itself, You state that if you're short of money (as we are), then the quality of coaching staff suffers yet your general opinion is that CC is ok as a coach and doing a satisfactory job.
I'm not criticising the players' ability, I'm criticising the lack of tactics and the fact that the coaching staff are lacking in ideas and motivation skills. We know we have a pretty good squad, but something is stifling their skills when they get on to the field of play. That motivation must come from the coaching staff.
Yes, I'm sure with our best back line and best forwards we would be better, but we've seen too many occasions when the best have been on display but have performed very poorly. due to poor tactics and commitment.

Didn't we have virtually our first choice team playing against Bradford in the cup game ????....and we all know how close that turned out !!

Same with the Widnes game last year.

James Ford
Danny ward and Langley
Ryan Sheridan

Wardy and Langley would'nt be bad.

Agree