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Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Almost anyone who took any time to look at what that actually means in its American context would support it - it means removing from Police the budgets which require them to deal with mental health, opiods and reallocating that budget to people who can actually deal with them (like in the UK).
It would also stop them wasting money on the sort of ridiculousely inappropriate military equipment that American police forces love to unveil - https://twitter.com/JBaker_WTOV/status/ ... 3510242308
In a UK context defund the Police is largely meaningless.'"
BLM and taking the knee are largely meaningless. It’s a political organisation that has elected itself to represent black people and whites with a ‘white saviour, complex. It’s clearly anti white and anti Semitic when it should be purely pro black, there is big difference there.
When I see an elected BLM leader with a genuine mandate then I might listen. In the meantime please enlighten us on who it’s leaders are, who elected them, who funds them, who monitors them and what their manifesto is?
You can’t can can you and neither could the players. How lame and morally bankrupted must a person be to support an organisation they know nothing about purely to be trendy.
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It would also stop them wasting money on the sort of ridiculousely inappropriate military equipment that American police forces love to unveil - https://twitter.com/JBaker_WTOV/status/ ... 3510242308
In a UK context defund the Police is largely meaningless.'"
BLM and taking the knee are largely meaningless. It’s a political organisation that has elected itself to represent black people and whites with a ‘white saviour, complex. It’s clearly anti white and anti Semitic when it should be purely pro black, there is big difference there.
When I see an elected BLM leader with a genuine mandate then I might listen. In the meantime please enlighten us on who it’s leaders are, who elected them, who funds them, who monitors them and what their manifesto is?
You can’t can can you and neither could the players. How lame and morally bankrupted must a person be to support an organisation they know nothing about purely to be trendy.
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Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Almost anyone who took any time to look at what that actually means in its American context would support it - it means removing from Police the budgets which require them to deal with mental health, opiods and reallocating that budget to people who can actually deal with them (like in the UK).
It would also stop them wasting money on the sort of ridiculousely inappropriate military equipment that American police forces love to unveil - https://twitter.com/JBaker_WTOV/status/ ... 3510242308
In a UK context defund the Police is largely meaningless.'"
OK chomp just like the UK and in the main most Police forces across the globe get the easure to deal with mental health issues that are clearly a matter for health authorities. Policing is 24/7 365 along with Fire and Ambulance sadly key support tends to be Monday to Friday. The Police in the UK waste so much time dealing with other agencies issues so don't make a sweeping statement that the correct authorities deal with there own problems they don't!
Opioids may not be illegal in some parts but in the main they will be. Yes some people get help with rehab but in my experience the numbers getting off opiates are very low. To stereo type most opiate users are not wealthy and commit crime to fund habits this then drives serious and organised crime.
America has a gun problem including automatic weapons drug gangs have serious weaponry along with the threat of terrorism. The police need to have the best equipment to respond.
There is nothing wrong with APCs.
If ever you have the terrible experience of such events I am sure you would be glad to see the good guys take on the bad I can't imagine society run otherwise can you?
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Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Almost anyone who took any time to look at what that actually means in its American context would support it - it means removing from Police the budgets which require them to deal with mental health, opiods and reallocating that budget to people who can actually deal with them (like in the UK).
It would also stop them wasting money on the sort of ridiculousely inappropriate military equipment that American police forces love to unveil - https://twitter.com/JBaker_WTOV/status/ ... 3510242308
In a UK context defund the Police is largely meaningless.'"
OK chomp just like the UK and in the main most Police forces across the globe get the easure to deal with mental health issues that are clearly a matter for health authorities. Policing is 24/7 365 along with Fire and Ambulance sadly key support tends to be Monday to Friday. The Police in the UK waste so much time dealing with other agencies issues so don't make a sweeping statement that the correct authorities deal with there own problems they don't!
Opioids may not be illegal in some parts but in the main they will be. Yes some people get help with rehab but in my experience the numbers getting off opiates are very low. To stereo type most opiate users are not wealthy and commit crime to fund habits this then drives serious and organised crime.
America has a gun problem including automatic weapons drug gangs have serious weaponry along with the threat of terrorism. The police need to have the best equipment to respond.
There is nothing wrong with APCs.
If ever you have the terrible experience of such events I am sure you would be glad to see the good guys take on the bad I can't imagine society run otherwise can you?
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| Quote ="vastman"BLM and taking the knee are largely meaningless. It’s a political organisation that has elected itself to represent black people and whites with a ‘white saviour, complex. It’s clearly anti white and anti Semitic when it should be purely pro black, there is big difference there.
When I see an elected BLM leader with a genuine mandate then I might listen. In the meantime please enlighten us on who it’s leaders are, who elected them, who funds them, who monitors them and what their manifesto is?
You can’t can can you and neither could the players. How lame and morally bankrupted must a person be to support an organisation they know nothing about purely to be trendy.'"
This where we differ on this Vasty.
The Black Lives Matter may be an organisation and that group may have some people I don't like at all...... But BLM is first and foremost a campaign to stop unnecessary violence against black people. Started with just a hashtag.
It's been hijacked just the same as Union Flag and St George's Cross by the far right.
I am proud to wear them but I'm sometimes uncomfortable when I see people use them for different reasons..... Just like BLM.
I am very much behind the initiative by Sky but I have to say its being pushed so hard it will lose some of the point. The interviews before the game are excellent. The big flags everywhere and the badge near the score are a bit unnecessary imho.
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| Quote ="PopTart"This where we differ on this Vasty.
The Black Lives Matter may be an organisation and that group may have some people I don't like at all...... But BLM is first and foremost a campaign to stop unnecessary violence against black people. Started with just a hashtag.
It's been hijacked just the same as Union Flag and St George's Cross by the far right.
I am proud to wear them but I'm sometimes uncomfortable when I see people use them for different reasons..... Just like BLM.
I am very much behind the initiative by Sky but I have to say its being pushed so hard it will lose some of the point. The interviews before the game are excellent. The big flags everywhere and the badge near the score are a bit unnecessary imho.'"
So taking your argument then it makes sense at the next game for us all to wear Union Jack shirts with shaved heads etc etc but that wouldn’t be far right or racist It’s just about pride in our British roots ? Hmmm
As regards the 2013 tweet that was about violence against black Americans by. American police and had been politically hi jacked by the anarchists a long time before it ever appeared in Western Europe .
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The Black Lives Matter may be an organisation and that group may have some people I don't like at all...... But BLM is first and foremost a campaign to stop unnecessary violence against black people. Started with just a hashtag.
It's been hijacked just the same as Union Flag and St George's Cross by the far right.
I am proud to wear them but I'm sometimes uncomfortable when I see people use them for different reasons..... Just like BLM.
I am very much behind the initiative by Sky but I have to say its being pushed so hard it will lose some of the point. The interviews before the game are excellent. The big flags everywhere and the badge near the score are a bit unnecessary imho.'"
I think you’re being incredibly generous. How can you be sure? I be searched and the information is scant. BLM is at best an umbrella term under which a number of groups operate. For example there appears to be no substantive link between the original US group from a few years back and those operating in the U.K.
I can’t find an official committee just loose affiliations and alleged spokes persons. I can’t find any evidence of any elected bodies and thus I can’t find a mandate. By every definition of a democratic representative organisation they fail. The EDL is more transparent and democratic than BLM.
It is not a charity and it’s not registered with the electoral commission. It represents nobody as far as I can see, the U.K. version is nothing more than mouthpiece for a collection of dodgy radicals.
I’ve never seen our biased media ever ask what I would call an average black persons if BLM represents them, why not? Because they don’t most black people would prefer to achieve there political agendas through the existing political structure, yet again though that doesn’t fit the left wing narrative.
Would you be happy if Tommy Robinson claimed he represented you? By the logic of BLM he would be well within his rights to do so. You simply can’t argue that to the EDL white lives definitely matter.
Both groups represent the very worse of ghetto politics, why credit one with more validity than the other. Both are racist, both flirt with violence, both have no mandate and both skirt just above being illegal.
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| Is it the act of taking the knee that offends you or the reason. If it was for white or blue lives matters would you be similarly offended.
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| Quote ="vastman"I think you’re being incredibly generous. How can you be sure? I be searched and the information is scant. BLM is at best an umbrella term under which a number of groups operate. For example there appears to be no substantive link between the original US group from a few years back and those operating in the U.K.
I can’t find an official committee just loose affiliations and alleged spokes persons. I can’t find any evidence of any elected bodies and thus I can’t find a mandate. By every definition of a democratic representative organisation they fail. The EDL is more transparent and democratic than BLM.
It is not a charity and it’s not registered with the electoral commission. It represents nobody as far as I can see, the U.K. version is nothing more than mouthpiece for a collection of dodgy radicals.
I’ve never seen our biased media ever ask what I would call an average black persons if BLM represents them, why not? Because they don’t most black people would prefer to achieve there political agendas through the existing political structure, yet again though that doesn’t fit the left wing narrative.
Would you be happy if Tommy Robinson claimed he represented you? By the logic of BLM he would be well within his rights to do so. You simply can’t argue that to the EDL white lives definitely matter.
Both groups represent the very worse of ghetto politics, why credit one with more validity than the other. Both are racist, both flirt with violence, both have no mandate and both skirt just above being illegal.'"
I agree.
I think black lives Matter but don't agree with many of the methods of the group with the same name.
I agree we should make Britain the best it can be but I don't agree how Tommy Robinson wants to do it.
Neither are representative. They are extreme minorities who have used a popular opinion to market their own.
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| I don't think there should be a club directive on this issue one way or the other. Each individual player should carry out the action that he believes to be the correct one. Personally, I think that initially there was a bit of a "Kings New Clothes" syndrome regarding "the Kneel" and football, rugby players and even police officers thought it was something that had to be done to be seen to conform. I'm not particularly a fan of it myself.
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Because what other motivation would there be for a white lives matter movement other than racial.
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Brilliant, so racism is a one way issue, people like you are unreal.
Racism is racism regardless of colour, elements of the BLM movement are totally racist.
Currently in South Africa white farmers are being murdered in cold blood with the tacos support of a racist black government by blacks stealing their land. Land they have run for generations, land that the indigenous population wasn’t interested in. These whites have lived there since the 1700’s, they have as much right to be there as anyone.
So if these whites started a white life’s matter group they wold be racist would they?
For once in your life just think before you trot out your glib soundbite rubbish. You’re so indoctrinated it’s frightening.
Hell your post has actually made me truly furious it’s blatant ignorance is so sickening.
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| Quote ="vastman"I think you’re being incredibly generous. How can you be sure? I be searched and the information is scant. BLM is at best an umbrella term under which a number of groups operate. For example there appears to be no substantive link between the original US group from a few years back and those operating in the U.K.
I can’t find an official committee just loose affiliations and alleged spokes persons. I can’t find any evidence of any elected bodies and thus I can’t find a mandate. By every definition of a democratic representative organisation they fail. '"
For some reason you're trying to find an organisational structure in a public outpouring of emotion and activism. I'm not fussed too much either way about kneeling or not, as long as there is freedom of choice, but the repeated smearing of those seeking a better world as marxists or anarchists is right wing propaganda designed to undermine the central point the vast majority of people are expressing.
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| Johnstone said it was because one player felt he couldn't take a knee, so rather than leaving him with his backside out, they decided to make their own show of solidarity by linking arms.
It seems the significance of a team of men of all different backgrounds and creeds stood arm in arm is lost on those screeching that they should have knelt
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Johnstone said it was because one player felt he couldn't take a knee, so rather than leaving him with his backside out, they decided to make their own show of solidarity by linking arms.
=#FF0000:3dnsretuIt seems the significance of a team of men of all different backgrounds and creeds stood arm in arm is lost on those screeching that they should have knelt[
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| Quote ="vastman"=#FF0000:34sisn0tYet strangely you don’t find it strange tha 17 players do take the knee.
Not singling you out mate but just count the players on both sides. no one has 17 but every one seems to have over looked the fact that Wigan only have 12 players there.
Whose missing and why?
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| Taking the knee is just tokenism . It will change nothing. It allows people to think they are doing something when they are actually doing nothing concrete to stop institution racism or individual racism .It is like clapping for the NHS . We all did it but nurses are still not getting a pay rise .It makes the individual feel like they are doing something . If you want to do something the next time you are a game ( If we ever are allowed back ) and you hear someone being racist to a player confront them and get the stewards to chuck them out and the club to ban them . Then they may change their behaviour.
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| Quote ="vastman"Brilliant, so racism is a one way issue, people like you are unreal.
Racism is racism regardless of colour, elements of the BLM movement are totally racist.
Currently in South Africa white farmers are being murdered in cold blood with the tacos support of a racist black government by blacks stealing their land. Land they have run for generations, land that the indigenous population wasn’t interested in. These whites have lived there since the 1700’s, they have as much right to be there as anyone.
So if these whites started a white life’s matter group they wold be racist would they?
For once in your life just think before you trot out your glib soundbite rubbish. You’re so indoctrinated it’s frightening.
Hell your post has actually made me truly furious it’s blatant ignorance is so sickening.'"
I do think "white lives matter" has a racist subtext, as does "all lives matter".
Black Lives Matter has a context, as it is essentially means "black lives matter too". The "too" is silent but that is its context. "All Lives Matter" has a subtext of "get back in your box". "White Lives Matter" is a reassertion of power.
But the context is fundamentally American, where the problems are much deeper and more longstanding. The treatment of Dawn Butler over the weekend shows that there is work to be done, but we should stop viewing our society through an American lens.
The British version of BLM does seem to be political opportunism, and when the identity of the British version comes out, (ie, the one that has collected a million quid in donations), they will be exposed as well-known anarchists and rabble-rousers, and probably white.
I agree with the club stance. They can unite against racism without kowtowing to public gestures that are meaningless.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I do think "white lives matter" has a racist subtext, as does "all lives matter".
Black Lives Matter has a context, as it is essentially means "black lives matter too". The "too" is silent but that is its context. "All Lives Matter" has a subtext of "get back in your box". "White Lives Matter" is a reassertion of power.
But the context is fundamentally American, where the problems are much deeper and more longstanding. The treatment of Dawn Butler over the weekend shows that there is work to be done, but we should stop viewing our society through an American lens.
The British version of BLM does seem to be political opportunism, and when the identity of the British version comes out, (ie, the one that has collected a million quid in donations), they will be exposed as well-known anarchists and rabble-rousers, and probably white.
I agree with the club stance. They can unite against racism without kowtowing to public gestures that are meaningless.'" please explain to me what the BLM movement actually want because it changes every day in this country, three people were interviewed on bbc radio and asked what they wanted to achieve and their answers were I don’t know, so in your wisdom enlighten me what they want and what they stand for. As for the treatment of dawn butler another jumping on the band wagon, London is a totally different planet to up here with murder, guns and knives running rife so the police have every right to do their jobs. The gangs just want a free run of things down there and think they are above the law.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I do think "white lives matter" has a racist subtext, as does "all lives matter".
Black Lives Matter has a context, as it is essentially means "black lives matter too". The "too" is silent but that is its context. "All Lives Matter" has a subtext of "get back in your box". "White Lives Matter" is a reassertion of power.
But the context is fundamentally American, where the problems are much deeper and more longstanding. The treatment of Dawn Butler over the weekend shows that there is work to be done, but we should stop viewing our society through an American lens.
The British version of BLM does seem to be political opportunism, and when the identity of the British version comes out, (ie, the one that has collected a million quid in donations), they will be exposed as well-known anarchists and rabble-rousers, and probably white.
I agree with the club stance. They can unite against racism without kowtowing to public gestures that are meaningless.'"
I get where your point but I have managed to find a context where WLM does work which was in response to a single poster.
So you are completely wrong but in the widest context yours is at least reasonable. However this is a brilliant example of what BLM does, it polarises opinion, which in my opinion is exactly what it’s leadership wants.
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| Quote ="vastman"Is broadly agree but I have managed to find a context where WLM does work whic was in response to a single poster.
So you are completely wrong but in the widest context yours is at least reasonable.'"
I don't disagree. I view it entirely in the context of the UK, which is much different to the US, and certainly much different to elsewhere.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"please explain to me what the BLM movement actually want because it changes every day in this country, three people were interviewed on bbc radio and asked what they wanted to achieve and their answers were I don’t know, so in your wisdom enlighten me what they want and what they stand for. As for the treatment of dawn butler another jumping on the band wagon, London is a totally different planet to up here with murder, guns and knives running rife so the police have every right to do their jobs. The gangs just want a free run of things down there and think they are above the law.'"
I don't disagree. The "movement" over here has been hijacked by people with different agendas, and trying to suggest that the depth of our problems is on a par with the USA is nonsense. That isn't to say that there aren't problems, there are, and Dawn Butler's treatment is an example, stopped for driving a nice car, but over here it is political opportunism. If I were driving through that part of London in a nice car, I bet I wouldn't be stopped, and that's the issue.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"If I were driving through that part of London in a nice car, I bet I wouldn't be stopped, and that's the issue.'"
Actually, the car she was in was stopped because the plates didn't match the car* and the suspicion was that it was being used in "County Lines" drug trafficking.
In truth, the plates DID match the car, but the officer had inputted the registration number incorrectly.
In those circumstances, you WOULD be stopped driving a nice car through Hackney.
At no point has it been established that the officers knew they were black before the stop.
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If this doesn't stop the nonsense, nothing will.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier ... d=msedgntp
"The owner of a Super League club whose players collectively decided against taking a knee has denied anyone involved is racist, insisting the decision was made to stand in solidarity with a player who said his religious beliefs prohibited him from making the stance.
Wakefield Trinity attracted criticism after their players did not kneel before their game against Wigan, with the squad instead opting to link arms and stand in unison. The likes of Israel Folau of Catalans have also not taken a knee since Super League’s resumption, but Wakefield’s owner, Michael Carter, has stressed his players were keen to send their own anti-racism message while also supporting those who did not feel comfortable kneeling.
a crowd of people watching a football game: Wakefield Trinity’s players link arms while the Wigan Warriors team take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement at Headingley on Sunday.
“We have at least one player who was adamant that their religion did not allow him to kneel for anyone but God,” Carter told the Guardian. “I didn’t feel that was open to question and having spoken with one player privately, he had concerns about the reaction Israel Folau had received to the point he was actively considering standing down.
“My senior group said they were keen to support their teammate and if that meant standing alongside him, they would. However, they were also keen to show unity and send a strong message out that Wakefield Trinity does not condone racism. But equally, there is no way we will isolate someone for their religious beliefs. I think it’s important we explain our stance and not leave things open to interpretation. But this club is not racist.”
Carter said his players will do the same again this weekend, but reiterated: “We put a statement out pre-match insisting we endorse the Black Lives Matter message and are totally against any form of racism. There were eight non-white British players in our line-up on Sunday who stood shoulder-to-shoulder … how anyone can conceive what we did as racist is beyond me and incredibly disappointing.”
Carter admitted he has received messages of abuse from his club’s supporters on the matter, but admitted he, Wakefield and the game as a whole need to continue to educate on the message surrounding Black Lives Matter. “We will back any anti-racism campaign that comes from this.
“I’ve had messages of support from the RFL, though a disappointing lack of support from certain quarters. But when the RFL’s head of diversity, Alex Simmons, agrees that the stance we took showed a defiant stand against racism, what can we do? There’s an agenda with racism and people want to use it to create chaos.”
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If this doesn't stop the nonsense, nothing will.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier ... d=msedgntp
"The owner of a Super League club whose players collectively decided against taking a knee has denied anyone involved is racist, insisting the decision was made to stand in solidarity with a player who said his religious beliefs prohibited him from making the stance.
Wakefield Trinity attracted criticism after their players did not kneel before their game against Wigan, with the squad instead opting to link arms and stand in unison. The likes of Israel Folau of Catalans have also not taken a knee since Super League’s resumption, but Wakefield’s owner, Michael Carter, has stressed his players were keen to send their own anti-racism message while also supporting those who did not feel comfortable kneeling.
a crowd of people watching a football game: Wakefield Trinity’s players link arms while the Wigan Warriors team take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement at Headingley on Sunday.
“We have at least one player who was adamant that their religion did not allow him to kneel for anyone but God,” Carter told the Guardian. “I didn’t feel that was open to question and having spoken with one player privately, he had concerns about the reaction Israel Folau had received to the point he was actively considering standing down.
“My senior group said they were keen to support their teammate and if that meant standing alongside him, they would. However, they were also keen to show unity and send a strong message out that Wakefield Trinity does not condone racism. But equally, there is no way we will isolate someone for their religious beliefs. I think it’s important we explain our stance and not leave things open to interpretation. But this club is not racist.”
Carter said his players will do the same again this weekend, but reiterated: “We put a statement out pre-match insisting we endorse the Black Lives Matter message and are totally against any form of racism. There were eight non-white British players in our line-up on Sunday who stood shoulder-to-shoulder … how anyone can conceive what we did as racist is beyond me and incredibly disappointing.”
Carter admitted he has received messages of abuse from his club’s supporters on the matter, but admitted he, Wakefield and the game as a whole need to continue to educate on the message surrounding Black Lives Matter. “We will back any anti-racism campaign that comes from this.
“I’ve had messages of support from the RFL, though a disappointing lack of support from certain quarters. But when the RFL’s head of diversity, Alex Simmons, agrees that the stance we took showed a defiant stand against racism, what can we do? There’s an agenda with racism and people want to use it to create chaos.”
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Quote ="dboy"If this doesn't stop the nonsense, nothing will.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier ... d=msedgntp
"The owner of a Super League club whose players collectively decided against taking a knee has denied anyone involved is racist, insisting the decision was made to stand in solidarity with a player who said his religious beliefs prohibited him from making the stance.
Wakefield Trinity attracted criticism after their players did not kneel before their game against Wigan, with the squad instead opting to link arms and stand in unison. The likes of Israel Folau of Catalans have also not taken a knee since Super League’s resumption, but Wakefield’s owner, Michael Carter, has stressed his players were keen to send their own anti-racism message while also supporting those who did not feel comfortable kneeling.
a crowd of people watching a football game: Wakefield Trinity’s players link arms while the Wigan Warriors team take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement at Headingley on Sunday.
“We have at least one player who was adamant that their religion did not allow him to kneel for anyone but God,” Carter told the Guardian. “I didn’t feel that was open to question and having spoken with one player privately, he had concerns about the reaction Israel Folau had received to the point he was actively considering standing down.
“My senior group said they were keen to support their teammate and if that meant standing alongside him, they would. However, they were also keen to show unity and send a strong message out that Wakefield Trinity does not condone racism. But equally, there is no way we will isolate someone for their religious beliefs. I think it’s important we explain our stance and not leave things open to interpretation. But this club is not racist.”
Carter said his players will do the same again this weekend, but reiterated: “We put a statement out pre-match insisting we endorse the Black Lives Matter message and are totally against any form of racism. There were eight non-white British players in our line-up on Sunday who stood shoulder-to-shoulder … how anyone can conceive what we did as racist is beyond me and incredibly disappointing.”
Carter admitted he has received messages of abuse from his club’s supporters on the matter, but admitted he, Wakefield and the game as a whole need to continue to educate on the message surrounding Black Lives Matter. “We will back any anti-racism campaign that comes from this.
“I’ve had messages of support from the RFL, though a disappointing lack of support from certain quarters. But when the RFL’s head of diversity, Alex Simmons, agrees that the stance we took showed a defiant stand against racism, what can we do? There’s an agenda with racism and people want to use it to create chaos.”'"
As said before the club did everything correctly and respectfully but people without a brain won’t get it. Well done to the club for doing the right thing.
Up the Trin
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Quote ="dboy"If this doesn't stop the nonsense, nothing will.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier ... d=msedgntp
"The owner of a Super League club whose players collectively decided against taking a knee has denied anyone involved is racist, insisting the decision was made to stand in solidarity with a player who said his religious beliefs prohibited him from making the stance.
Wakefield Trinity attracted criticism after their players did not kneel before their game against Wigan, with the squad instead opting to link arms and stand in unison. The likes of Israel Folau of Catalans have also not taken a knee since Super League’s resumption, but Wakefield’s owner, Michael Carter, has stressed his players were keen to send their own anti-racism message while also supporting those who did not feel comfortable kneeling.
a crowd of people watching a football game: Wakefield Trinity’s players link arms while the Wigan Warriors team take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement at Headingley on Sunday.
“We have at least one player who was adamant that their religion did not allow him to kneel for anyone but God,” Carter told the Guardian. “I didn’t feel that was open to question and having spoken with one player privately, he had concerns about the reaction Israel Folau had received to the point he was actively considering standing down.
“My senior group said they were keen to support their teammate and if that meant standing alongside him, they would. However, they were also keen to show unity and send a strong message out that Wakefield Trinity does not condone racism. But equally, there is no way we will isolate someone for their religious beliefs. I think it’s important we explain our stance and not leave things open to interpretation. But this club is not racist.”
Carter said his players will do the same again this weekend, but reiterated: “We put a statement out pre-match insisting we endorse the Black Lives Matter message and are totally against any form of racism. There were eight non-white British players in our line-up on Sunday who stood shoulder-to-shoulder … how anyone can conceive what we did as racist is beyond me and incredibly disappointing.”
Carter admitted he has received messages of abuse from his club’s supporters on the matter, but admitted he, Wakefield and the game as a whole need to continue to educate on the message surrounding Black Lives Matter. “We will back any anti-racism campaign that comes from this.
“I’ve had messages of support from the RFL, though a disappointing lack of support from certain quarters. But when the RFL’s head of diversity, Alex Simmons, agrees that the stance we took showed a defiant stand against racism, what can we do? There’s an agenda with racism and people want to use it to create chaos.”'"
As said before the club did everything correctly and respectfully but people without a brain won’t get it. Well done to the club for doing the right thing.
Up the Trin
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