As much as I love the idea of using it for bands (Being in one myself) the existing venues cant get a decent crowd in, and are turning away from Live Bands or going down the solo / Acoustic duo route. The only exception being Warehouse 23 which manages to attract decent names and can charge accordingly, but even that has the benefit of being slap bang in the middle of town, something that Belle Vue isn't.

I'm purely guessing here but it wouldn't surprise me if Cats Bars future is a fairly short one. I would imagine it might give way to an all-new all singing all dancing main stand that I'd guess will offer a more prestigious venue, could be miles off though. That's when you might see the events market pursued with more vigour.

TBH I think we had been winning regular and playing well from mid-2016 to May this year and I've seen no obvious improvements in attendances, certainly not 6,000 per game (home fans).

I got shot down by certain posters on here for saying this but the Wakefield public only seems to turn up when its train wreck time as per the London game and even that was helped by cheaper tickets I'm sure.

I think we all know why and that's forty years of mistrust between the club and the Wakefield sporting population. Added to that for reasons I can't begin to explain all Trinity teams for decades have saved their worst performances for the prestige games. the ones that grab supporters, time and time again when we are truly in with a chance to make our reputation when it's our moment to make a mark we shoot ourselves in the foot, it's uncanny.

So yes you're right as far as it goes, so long as we only offer dramatic last-ditch fights as opposed to the odd glorious moment when we win or come really close to winning something then we will continue to struggle. To have not reached a CCup final since 1979, 40 years ago is frankly a disgrace, it's not like we haven't occasionally had the teams to do it.

On a positive note, when I started supporting the club in 2003 we had a hardcore of no more than 2.5k, it's now around 4k, so it is going up, though painfully slowly.

I think at last the club is administered by people of whom most of us feel confident are competent in what they do, sadly 40 years of generally poor management of the club is not easily forgotten.

Finally, we now own the ground and it really looks like something is going to happen in the near future that will hopefully begin BV's transformation into a decent stadium. Just to have one modern stand and a surfaced car park will transform the look of the place from being totally oppressive to quite welcoming and that has got to help attract people.

As much as I love Warehouse as a venue they seem in the main to have covers bands or old bands playing there, great nights one and all but I'd love a venue that put new bands on. The Wakefield public are as apathetic with music as they are with Trinity sadly.

I couldn't disagree more their's 100's of live bands and genre's to choose from atm. I saw limehouse lizzy on Saturday and there are 1st class and on weds i'm going to see a band called Rock Icons in Castleford(spit) who have been normally been going to the thearte royal this last couple of years top class band.

I organizser events for work and privately and this could make a right killing if we (Trin) had the space and willingness to do it or further down the line try to accommedate a function room when we get our ground sorted out for this type of thing.

Back on topic

If we were winning week in week out all so-called wakey fans would come out of the woodwork, All I hear from people I know who don't come is that it's too dear and would rather pay a bit more and watch leedsushizted instead, So your never going to change people's mind set on what their value more if there have not got the Trinity Blood in them.

Absolutely spot on there, I can't be bothered looking but I'm pretty sure I've looked in the past and the 78/79 season when we went to Wembley our average was round about 6,700.

I have looked and you'd be surprised how small some of our crowds were.

I also think the word "discrace' is way too strong and shows and lack of understanding of where we have been for the last 40 years.

Good god man you are literal at times, it's just there for a bit of passion and spice, I'm fully aware of the situation but for a club that made its name as cup kings it's still fairly disgraceful wouldn't you say. In that forty years Fev, Cas and Sheffield have won it and even London have been, it's the one competition we've always had a punchers chance in, unlike the title which I've never felt us capable of winning. Come on PT break away from your contrary programming for once.

I just disagree with you. Can't see your problem.

I certainly don't understand your "taking me literally" comments. If you write it down, make sure you mean it and can back it up. If not, what was the point if we are supposed to understand that you only half meant it.

To call a team a disgrace for not making a final is just not accurate. By all means tell me why it is.

Whatever.

I accept your apology

The RL Project site reckons our average SL attendance this season was 5300. Not sure how accurate that is though.

I've always found it be accurate in the past.

Whatever 2

I don’t know when the photo with Hawley Plant Hire was taken, that’s on the Website today but Chris Green and Morgan Escare are in it ?

They all look like cardboard cutouts, particularly the one of Chris Chester, but don’t tell him I said so.

Yes disgrace is OTT. It's luck of the draw. We've had two semis. V Warrington we were decimated by injuries. V Hull it's true that was the one that got away. A dreadful start blew it. I seem to recall many tough early round draws. We have two trophies to play for. It's harsh to criticise in that situation. We were damn unlucky in 2004 and 2017 not to be within a match of the grand final. I'm proud of our achievement of 20 top flight years. We should not be too critical

Think you might have posted this on the wrong thread Charlie

The LE express has reported we are in discussions with Chris Green and also suggest we have signed Tangata so there’s the 2 props (possibly)

I'd be utterly delighted with that. I thought Green was the best prop for the last few games and Tangata showed up well. In fact, if you look at the last three games those two were standouts.

So that's (if true)

Fifita
Koppy
Green
King
Tangata
Arona
Gwaze

TBH I think thats a far stronger line up than last season Hirst and a crocked England.

and (if true) Tangata and Green are not new to the club, they will be aware of our systems etc and what we are about as a club. They've both dipped their toe in the water.
I'd be happy with both of 'em.

I think its also worth noting that for example if we were to play Fifita, Koppy, King and Green for example as the props in the first 17 then you could have in the back row, Tanginoa, Westerman, Ashurst and Arona in the back row. That's a sizeable back row that can also gain hard yards meaning a nice spread of the workload, looks good to me. Then you could add Crowther or Batchelor for a bit of youthful enthusiasm.

Have I missed the departure of tanginoa or perhaps you've got him on duel reg

You mean Tangata, Tanginoa is a permanent signing from mid season.

I think he's referring to the fact you have Tangata in second row and not Tanginoa.