Fair enough, was just mentioning what I had been told - clearly the person that told me is not as close to this situation as he thought.

They didn’t leave but it wasn’t for lack of trying to get them out of the door. The treatment of Ash Golding is the worst as he refused to pick him at all even when Walker was injured and instead pick unfit Lolohea who he’d already deemed not good enough for HB, all in an effort to force Golding to give up his fight of staying and free up cap space. Ash Golding is a well liked member of the squad and you’d be hard pressed to find a lad who is more passionate about their club so can’t imagine that sort of treatment sits too well with his teammates. Also you can’t sell if you can’t get guys in, rumours of offers made to the likes of Connor and Trueman to no avail and good knows who else....clubs don’t sell their better players in the first few months of the season. That’s why he needed to work with the guys he had this season regardless of quality but sounds like their was already a clear split of his favourites and the ones he didn’t want, that’s poor man management.

Have to admit I found the exclusion of Golding from covering the full back berth bizarre especially given the performances of turnstile Tui.

None of that explains the league position or the sacking.

All you have said is that he wanted to reduce the number of fullbacks as he had 3 if not 4 options if you include Sutty because (I assume) he wanted better forwards.
That seems sensible.
Until that happened he played his second choice when his first choice was injured.
If the players don't like it because they wanted their mate who is the coaches 3rd choice to be picked...... And that affects performance...... Then that is a player issue not a coaches issue.

One thing to reduce your number of FB’s, another thing to flat out refuse to pick him even when you have injuries in hope he gives up and moves on. Against you lot at Headingley when Walker was missing he moved his starting HB in Lolohea to FB and started Cam Smith - a 2nd row - in the halves. You don’t ask your starting HB’s to go cover other positions. Lolohea was dropped for poor form and fitness from the HB role but again when a Walker was injured they brought him back in and he’s still been bad instead of giving Golding a go because he didn’t want to give him any slight hope he’d still have a future there. Shocking treatment of the lad.

The Garbutt issue again a mess. Needed one of the Aussies out to create cap space for Merrin who Furner was insistent on having and told all 3 of Garbutt, Cuthbertson and Parcell to go and look for a new club just as preseason is about to start. Thing is they only needed one to leave so as soon as Garbutt got an offer and deal the other two were told they’re now staying. How do you run a dressing room and get everybody behind if that’s how Furner wanted to run things. When people start mentioning player power forced a coach out the sympathy goes to the coach and often is correct, but in some cases the coach brought it all on himself with rubbish handling of players.

During Wires poorest period under Tony Smith....Richie Agar took responsibility for the team...perhaps around 4 in his time...Wire never lost a game that he did.

You would have done if you'd left it any longer. I suspect as a short term fire fighter Agar is quite good but long term most Trinity fans will say he isn't.

His record is good and he is a sought after assistant by all the top coaches.
Not everyone is a leader.

Doesn't surprise me, technical ability doesn't always translate into leadership. Alex Ferguson was not the technical brains at United in their hey day it was Brian Kidd. Yet Kidd has never made a real fist as a manager whilst Ferguson doesn't write coaching manuals. So I think your right.

I spent a bit of time with Agar when he was at the club, and I tend to agree - he was an absolute wonk when it came to stats, details, the nuances of the game and the value of each players individual attributes, and their cumulative effect. He was obsessed with the 'moneyball' theory, and the application of small gains. Really knowledgeable and interesting guy - but perhaps not the guy to get players fired up and ready to pi55 lightning and eat thunder on match day.

How would fans of his previous clubs say his teams went defensively, because that’s the area he needs to sort....he’s said as much in the preview to this weekends game. If you were rating our defence this season it’d be generous giving them 1 out of 10. If he can get the defence up to even a respectable standard and stop the constant really soft tries every game and collapses as soon as one try goes in and is quickly followed by a few more in short order then he’ll be ok for the short term whilst a longer permanent coach is lined up.

Agar was with us for two seasons I think and in that first season we were a decent outfit. Wouldn’t say we were exceptional in defence but ok. However as time went on we got worse until the 2015 team arrived and they were dreadful. Agar was not in charge at that point and the team had been decimated by then so it’s hard to say whether it was a legacy of his coaching.

If your looking for a defence messiah I’m not convinced, Kear is more your man for that imo.

I am hearing they are trying to get Shane Flanging ex sharks coach who is banned from nrl

Yeah, Flannagn's name's been mentioned since almost the moment the news broke about Furner's sacking, along with Wane, Marshall and ex Panther coach Anthony Griffin

Could JD throw his cap into the ring?

Is he that desperate?

He doesn’t need to be a messiah with the defence, just anything approaching solid and reasonable will be a big step up from what we’ve had so far in that department. Sounding more and more like he won’t be in charge for too long anyway.

Interesting point expressed by CC in his recent interview when asked about Furner, Quote " players win matches, coaches loose matches" a reference to most people/fans views - I think ? However, certainly not mine.

I'd imagine a bit like Roosters Assistant Coach Adam O’Brien, he'll be eyeing up a big NRL gig sooner or later. Both are in the betting for the Leeds jobs but also both are very highly rated down under as assistants and if he came over and it didn't work it could derail his whole career. You never know though.

If he asked me for advice, which clearly he hasn't, I'd say stay as you are.
His prospects to go from where he is now to be in charge as Head Coach are much better in Oz.

Did JD not openly say only a few weeks a go that he would snap at the chance of a head coach gig in SL? Whether or not it is the right move for him or not, it is a big opportunity and quite a good one - The Leeds board seemed to back Furner with funds for players and lets be honest the side that they have over at Headingley isn`t as bad as they have shown, okay I don`t think they are top 5 material but you would say mid table based on ability. The only real negatives for me looking at the role would be the apparent control from above and the pressure of a unreasonable bunch of fans - Lets be honest, is there any other group of fans out there that would be calling for the head of a coach that has just made history by winning the treble?

Oh and IMO, I think they could do much worse than stick with Agar for the rest of the season, I think we will see an improved Leeds under him.

If JD were to take the Leeds job I think it would share many parallels with the situation when Tony Smith took the Rhinos job.

RE Agar, go listen to the interview that Isaac John did on "The Locker Room" its quite an interesting chat.

I have listened to this and it`s a good interview, but I would not take everything he says as gospel - What he says is the opposite to what I have heard from some of the players he has played under, from what I here John did not exactly help his case by turning up with the wrong attitude and concentrating more on his next night out with the lads but he fails to mention that - For me personally I put it down to sour grapes from an ex employer but who knows.

Seeing as Isaac John is listed as a former RL payer aged 30 and hasn't played since 2015 with a total of 49 games to his name I tend to agree with you. Jordan Crowther has played nearly twice that many at aged 22 although none in the NRL I grant you.