I do agree QLT would be perfect for you on a 1 year deal. Cas signed him as a solution to our full back problem but then we lost both 1st choice half backs and he filled in there for a few games but then reverted to full back. He did very well in both positions but then Peter Mata'utia became available and we got Gale and Roberts back plus in the meantime Jake Trueman has emerged as an outstanding young half back rendering QLT redundant.
I don't think Max has yet perfected the "out of the back pocket" move that the modern full back does (Dorn, Hardaker and Mata'utia) at Cas.
Not for one minute am I suggesting you take our surplus to requirement player but I'm sure he could play and learn Max the art of full back play and at the same time improve the half back options. Wouldn't be too expensive I would imagine.

Agree 100% with this.

I think we are doing well with the FB situation with 3 decent choices plus further back ups in Hampshire/Miller/BJB, though we wouldn't want to lose them from their current positions.

Jowitt is still young and has had limited game time. However from what I've seen this year he has improved notably from last year, he is learning well. Okay he dropped a couple of balls against Cas, big deal, every player has a bad game now and then.

When TJ first came on the scene he was making mistakes galore, he was as much a liability as a threat. However he's had a lot of game time and a few years under his belt. We all know he is developing wonderfully.

Jowitt is quick, watch him. He is developing well in link play and plays a pivotal part in numerous tries. Most pleasing for me this year is that his one on one tackling is improving as he showed on Friday. Okay he still needs to work on his game but maybe people don't appreciate quite how skilled the FB role is in the team.

For where we are as a club I am happy with Grix, Jowitt and Hooley. To be honest, with the list of FBs at other clubs quoted I'm not really envious of what the other clubs have. If you watch those players closely you will see that they have weaknesses too.

After a loss to Cas, someone can always be relied upon to seek a scapegoat.

Jowitt is still young and has had limited game time.

Before Grix came along I'm sure Max played for a couple of seasons without making a tackle. he's had the chance & to be honest & at 21 he he's played that position probably all his life he should know what he's doing.
Some players don't make it & he's one He probably could help a championship club as a second fullback or a league one club as there main fullback I really don't know what people are holding on to. The truth he's signed three year deal the same as we gave Owen is that naivety on MC's part

Weren't a current top 4 super league club after him not that long ago.

If so, Max cant be that bad a player surely.

Still young, still learning, in what is, in my eyes a specialist position.

Give the lad a break folks

Jowitt played one season before Grix signed, other than this year his appearances have be sporadic since. He may not make it but at the moment IMO he's on a par with Grix and can get better.

Time will tell, but anyone expecting us to sign the next Billy Slater are going to be majorly disapointed. Those kind of players don't sign for us.

Food for thought, we have got to fifth place, potentially for two seasons on the bounce, with these 'sub-standard' fullbacks. That's not bad going.

For my money Max Jowitt is the future he is learning all the time and I have no doubt with the right coaching become a top quality full back.
If makes me laugh when Trinity fans say we can push for the top 4 with our budget and finish higher than who Sts Wigan Cas Wire
Added to that next season Leeds Hull FC Catalan will all be stronger
Let’s get real a top 8 finish is an achievement in its self.

The positions we really need to address are front row and half backs x 2 if Hampshire is going

With all due respect to the following
Huby way past his best
England Too injury prone
Hirst just not SL standard
Baldwinson not SL standard

Kirmond injury prone time to go and we have cover already

Miller inconsistent needs real competition for his place

Number 7 the real missing link and has being for 3 seasons

The fact is Trinity punch well above their weight every season and without stadium development that sadly I cant ever see being delivered we should enjoy what we have while it lasts because without it our super league days are over.

You remain as ridiculous and boring as ever.

Bring back Gary Spencer

Why? So he can be roundly criticised for his lack of pace too?? He may have been as safe as the Bank of England but I can't see that he would be any better than Max in terms of Fullback play these days. The game has changed a lot since Spencer.

I can’t beleive anyone would seriously say that QLT, as nice a bloke as he is, is either good enough or physically up to a full year of SL rugby.

I was a fan of Mamo when he came over, as he sparked Hudds revival last season but since then he's been very mediocre and has been found to not be able to tackle or pass the ball, which is why he's ended up on the wing!

It's the same poster who wanted us to,ship Jowitt and Johnstone off to Fev, go figure.

Plucked up courage to ask.
Who is QLT ?

Here Here hes shown nothing! Decent back up to a quality full back.

Yes cos that is a exciting meaningful post. Why come on here and add that.

Full back is a position where any mistake is multiplied in severity because it would probably lead to a try being scored. It is much like a goalkeeper in football who are subject to the same scrutiny that is not placed on other players.
Jowitt is not the best in SL but he is definitely not the worst, they all have their bad days.
The games I have seen with the exception of St Helens I think he has played well doing everything expected of a full back. He is the immediate future so I would suggest you get use to it.

Given the way Hull fans have spoke about Shaul this year I think he can be taken out of the list. Mamo has ended up not playing or on the wing and dropped at FB for 2 half backs in either Gaskell or Rankin. To get the quality of Barba/Tomkins/Gigot you would have to pay a small fortune and upset your current squad. Plus with your chairman being open about salary cap etc it isn't going to happen. Of the times I have seen Grix over the last couple of years (and I know its only sky games) apart from the odd error hes looked solid to be fair. To me you have a very rounded squad at the moment with enough to challenge the so called bigger teams when on song. Maybe that extra from full back could be the catalyst to shoot you further up but at what expense to the cap and squad?

The little I have seen of Jowitt I too think a lack of gametime has hindered him. You can also see why from the club point of view its such a pivotal position nowadays and with the risk of the 8s etc if the coaches feel more confident in someone else they will play first. Hopefully with this new structure he will have the chance to play regularly to properly learn his trade. The more young english kids we have playing in SL the better. This isn't a pop at you but this is where licensing was a great idea without the threat of relegation teams could risk playing the youngsters

TBH I think what we need to take us to the next level is a good organising half with a kicking game and a lot of us recognise that including CC, It is something that we have missed a lot, and could of made a hell of a difference in those tight games this season and last - IMO we have not had a good in play kicking game since Brough.

Lets be honest we have never had an extremely talented fullback in the Tomkins/Hardaker mold to go the full length from kick returns, don`t get me wrong it would be nice to have that but I don`t think it is something we really miss in our style of play.

Disagree on a few of your points...

I think Miller has had a good consistent season for me and is one of our main threats with ball in hand, with the right partner I think he will flourish even further - Most try assists in the league just shows how much he creates for the team.

England - 24 games last season, 22 games this season which is a good return for a prop that runs the ball in like he does, I dont think that is a massive issue.

I think Huby was having a good season prior to injury and had a decent season last season - Granted he is not a blockbusting prop and probably not as good as he used to be but I think he still brings something to the team and never seems to take a backwards step.

Hirst has the potential and has got better in his time with us, simple errors leave me frustrated with him but I cant imagine he is on a massive wedge so I would not mind him in the squad for cover for inevitable injuries.

Agree on Baldwinson, Kirmond and a new 7.

My irony meter just broke.

Quentin Laulu-Togaga'e (Thank God for copy & paste)!

Both of you just belt up. I thought we'd moved on from this.
Either PM each other or ignore each other. The rest of us don't want to see it.

You mean you don't, for christ sake lighten up the worlds not a perfect cuddly place where we ll get along.

Well said