Neither of them are gonna be much cop behind a failing team, which I think is the whole point.
Yeah Grix has had the odd off game, made a couple of mistakes here and there, but nothin more than any other pivotal organizer.
What is pretty obvious is that like any player in any team, he will struggle to make an impact playing behind a team that is playing poorly.
Would Jowitt make a difference ?, I highly doubt it, we'd just have a different FB with different strengths unable to make his particular skills count for anything because the team as a whole are ineffective.
Grix aint done yet and Jowitt aint ready to be automatic choice, but when he is and he's soaked up all that Grix know how, he will be a far better player for it.

You can add Chissitt and a few others to that list. It's definitely seems like a two tier forum these days. It seems you can only be robust or defend yourself in a robust manner if you're in the gang
Currently I'm a kn*bhead and a pillock on two posts and there have been others and not a word from the mod(s), if I'd called someone that there would be red text everywhere.

I may well be both of those things

but I'm far from the only one, a level playing field would be nice.

I'm not in the gang, and you probably won't be for much longer if you keep being honest like that

I haven't seen those posts (I am working 6 days a week at the moment so not getting on here as much lately) ..
use the report post function in future please - it helps the Mods sort these things out.
That applies to all BTW, thanks.

Frank baby, feel free to quote any post of mine where I have insulted anyone, you are right about a two tier system though, it's you against the world, poor old Frankie no mates being picked on again aw bless, here's a simple thought for you to try and digest, perhaps if you were not as intimidating and insulting in your opinion of other posters' opinions then surely by your own admission you would not have to defend yourself in such a robust manner, keep up the stalking.

I can't think why frank, I'd have thought you'd be mowed out with requests, the tellytubbies spring to mind

Here's a couple more of your posts, it looks like you want it both ways

So I can't see any posts of those posts Vastman.
As Wildthing says, if you report it we can go straight to the issue.

As for you and Chissitt. Either PM or stop moaning at each other it's getting tired for the rest of us.

I'ts just as tiring for me having to defend myself from this bitter obsession of his to try and score points and to tell lies about me at every opportunity, surely I have a right of reply.

You can either use the 'Foe' button so you can't see any of his posts or report it and leave it to me.
I understand what you are saying and of course a quick 1-2 happens with everyone but it goes on a long time with you two.

I don't want to be referee. I'd rather just talk about Wakefield Trinity and rugby.

Just going back to max the lad has had patience of a saint in the 19 not played not in the 19 ,warm up prematch ,the frustration not playing must be driving him crackers

It depends how Chester is handling it. As long as you know your chance is coming it probably isn't so bad.
If you are told you are just not good enough it would be hard to take.

Brain noble when at Wigan dipped Sam Tompkins in and out for weeks , patience and timing is key

Whatever rights and wrongs of the 2 players - our coaching team look likely to achieve our highest ever result in super league, working largely with a team of hand me downs, loanees or development players, a stunning victory against a full strength leeds team just reinforces my belief in kear and chester - so if they think Grix is first in the pecking order I am not going to argue.

Can't understand why anyone would argue them kirmudgeonly, that's why they are paid pros and we bleat on forums how we know best in our crap jobs.

Chissa I owe you an apology.

Having read your last few posts I know realise I'm dealing with someone who has the mind of a child. Vastman (I'm talking in the third person here) is many things but he's not a bully.

Seek help dear boy, seek help

Jesus H Christ this is beyond the pale even for you.

So let's get this straight, you are entitled to defend yourself, but I'm not. When you antagonise me it's OK you're just defending yourself. When I do it I'm aggressive and offensive and I'm lying. I'd love to know what I've lied about I really would, on second thoughts don't bother because I do'nt care. I'm not bitter at all by the way, you leave me alone and I'll leave you alone, sadly I seriously doubt your ego could manage that. I could that's for sure,I find all this rather tedious

So as far as I can tell you really are one pompous old hypocrite - what this all boils down to is that like all bar room barristers you just can't stand people who won't agree with your every word - and if that statement of fact gets me reprimanded then so be it.







That's my final word on this matter as I'm sure most people will be glad to hear. Whatever Chissa says from now on he's arguing with himself.

You are twisting my melon

Wish there was grown up dedates on this forum rather than the tedious playground "My dad is bigger than your dad" rubbish which appears prevalent at the moment.

If you have a grown up debate, the thread gets locked.

Shouting racist at folk is not a grown up debate. HTH.

But pointing out racist remarks where they exist *is* grown up. HTH.

Just because a liberal states some cack doesn't make it so. HTH.

Grix has been great this season apart from a couple of games. His problem is when he makes a mistake it's usually a crucial one. Goes with the position I suppose. I'm a huge fan of Jowitt, his time will come and lets face it, you've got to trust the coach in his decisions, he's got more right than wrong this season.

Your political leanings don't change the meaning of a sentence; someone made a racist remark on this forum, and I called it out.

I'm surprised it wasn't modded to be honest, since it's against the AUP, but there you go.

No, in your opinion Bren someone made a racist remark. In many other people's opinion he didn't.

I thought about it Bren and decided as it was on a good thread I wouldn't draw attention to it and let it slip away.
Alas that was a mistake as it was then taken way out of proportion by everyone and ended up having to close the thread. It's a shame because it was a really interesting thread.