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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Still don't get how a trust can be changed at the whim of a developer, however I'm minded to be on the side of calling their bluff and getting the thing built then worrying about bar takings etc later. By outright refusing let's them off the hook.'"
It would not be built until a lease is signed which would not happen on the tems that have been suggested.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"It would not be built until a lease is signed which would not happen on the tems that have been suggested.'"
Which is why I would sign the terms so they have no excuse. I don't see what the club have to lose. We fold if it doesn't get built, we might fold if it does.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"It would not be built until a lease is signed which would not happen on the tems that have been suggested.'"
I'll wait and see with everything crossed what mondays announcement says, if it happens. But i've a feeling that if it really is non-negotiable then we better get used to the idea that it's not going to happen. They obviously won't build it under the current terms for whatever reasons they want to give and we want to believe, so it's a bit of a pointless argument, it ain't going to happen. So any suggestions for plan B?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Which is why I would sign the terms so they have no excuse. I don't see what the club have to lose. We fold if it doesn't get built, we might fold if it does.'"
Sign them and you are contrctually bound to pay the rent for the term of the lease - just won't happen.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Sign them and you are contrctually bound to pay the rent for the term of the lease - just won't happen.'"
Or you threaten to leave unless terms are negotiated, not much different to the situation at BV? I can see the stich up but by not agreeing we are signing our own death warrant. Building it is the issue. Either way if the club can't operate in the new stadium the public still deserve what they were promised.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Which is why I would sign the terms so they have no excuse. I don't see what the club have to lose. We fold if it doesn't get built, we might fold if it does.'"
IF the club were to sign on the wrong terms, we would be stuffed.
I think we have to trust MC and the original trust members on this one, after all, they are the only ones privvy to all of the facts.
Can you imagine if we signed a deal that tied our hands and starved the club of any meaningful income and yet shackled it with all of the costs. That would be a huge mistake.
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| Quote ="Daddycool"It's not open to debate from me. It's the only way the club will survive. And it's exactly what Rodders and Mackie are hoping for. You'll/they will just have to find another couple of mugs'"
Having read Sandals post I get it now - truly bizarre attitude from Box if that's what he meant. Didn't hear the interview so I don't know for certain but can't say I'm surprised, it's one ambush after another.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Or you threaten to leave unless terms are negotiated, not much different to the situation at BV? I can see the stich up but by not agreeing we are signing our own death warrant. Building it is the issue. Either way if the club can't operate in the new stadium the public still deserve what they were promised.'"
The public do deserve what they were promised. A fully funded and built community stadium in return for 220 acres of green belt land that a private individual can make a tonne of money from.
They knew we would never agree to this, and they have never intended to build a stadium, and that stuck up git, has got his nose well and truly in the trough, and has been for 7 years!
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"IF the club were to sign on the wrong terms, we would be stuffed.
I think we have to trust MC and the original trust members on this one, after all, they are the only ones privvy to all of the facts.
Can you imagine if we signed a deal that tied our hands and starved the club of any meaningful income and yet shackled it with all of the costs. That would be a huge mistake.'"
You're right it would but I don't see a viable alternative. If it doesn't get built then we're stuffed. Of course this could be the start of the hard ball but it's easier when there is something for the other side to lose. Right now if the terms aren't signed they're laughing all the way to the bank, if they're signed it will show them up for the crooks they are.
Ultimately if the portrayed reason the stadium doesn't get built is because the club didn't agree terms then they truly have won and the scandal will never hit the mainstream news.
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| What's so annoying is that we have a match tonight hat could help see us finish fourth yet we are still bogged down with this crap as we have been for twenty odd years.
Thanks Sir Rodney Walker thanks for everything.
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| Well it seems like it's bye bye Wakefield Trinity. Any point in playing this game tonight ?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Or you threaten to leave unless terms are negotiated, not much different to the situation at BV? I can see the stich up but by not agreeing we are signing our own death warrant. Building it is the issue. Either way if the club can't operate in the new stadium the public still deserve what they were promised.'"
You can only negotiate if the other party agree to negotiate otherwise you have indeed signed your own death warrant.
There is no point of a stadium without the club otherwise it will be a white elephant. The PI was clear that this Community Stadium was to secure the future of Wakefield Trinity who would maintain the facility facility for use by the wider community.
Without Wakefield Trinity there will be no stadium and that's probably what some want.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"You can only negotiate if the other party agree to negotiate otherwise you have indeed signed your own death warrant.
There is no point of a stadium without the club otherwise it will be a white elephant. The PI was clear that this Community Stadium was to secure the future of Wakefield Trinity who would maintain the facility facility for use by the wider community.
Without Wakefield Trinity there will be no stadium and that's probably what some want.'"
I'd rather they built a white elephant then get away with not building it at all. Clearly they are hoping the club refuse the terms then they can say they tried thier best but it was out of their hands.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"You're right it would but I don't see a viable alternative. If it doesn't get built then we're stuffed. Of course this could be the start of the hard ball but it's easier when there is something for the other side to lose. Right now if the terms aren't signed they're laughing all the way to the bank, if they're signed it will show them up for the crooks they are.
Ultimately if the portrayed reason the stadium doesn't get built is because the club didn't agree terms then they truly have won and the scandal will never hit the mainstream news.'"
We are screwed either way though aren't we.
Agree to unacceptable terms and let me tell you the are well and truly unacceptable and the Club dies a lingering death or refuse to accept them and they have won and the Club dies.
Have you spotted the theme yet. Oh and of course we have a rival Trust who will find the terms acceptable because they can get their snouts in the trough at the expense of the people of Wakefield and the last remaining professional sporting club in the City of Wakefield.
Some need to hang their heads in shame but they have no conscience or shame.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I'd rather they built a white elephant then get away with not building it at all. Clearly they are hoping the club refuse the terms then they can say they tried thier best but it was out of their hands.'"
Matt, have you not spotted it yet.
No one has any intention of building any stadium. It's all a charade to avoid building it and then guess who gets the blame.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Matt, have you not spotted it yet.
No one has any intention of building any stadium. It's all a charade to avoid building it and then guess who gets the blame.'"
I know, but I don't want them to be able to absolve themselves of yhe blame.
Even if they were signed up to its unlikely they would ever come into effect so it makes no end what we agree to. Make them them selves as their little plan hasn't worked.
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| Time to release all the details to the press and name and shame the greedy scumballs. Why keep anything confidential now ? Get it all out there !
It's obvious this is what the trust were %99 sure what was going to happen. So they should be prepared to let is all know the details and see for ourselves.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"We are screwed either way though aren't we.
Agree to unacceptable terms and let me tell you the are well and truly unacceptable and the Club dies a lingering death or refuse to accept them and they have won and the Club dies.
Have you spotted the theme yet. Oh and of course we have a rival Trust who will find the terms acceptable because they can get their snouts in the trough at the expense of the people of Wakefield and the last remaining professional sporting club in the City of Wakefield.
Some need to hang their heads in shame but they have no conscience or shame.'"
SC what I don't understand is why isn't all this being aired in the local press ? If it was a public body they would be crucified in the press but it seems private enterprise are excused from public exposure.
Where the hell are the Wakefield Express in all this anyway - do they have reporters nowadays with the bottle to get into this white collar crap? It's absolutely scandalous that greedy individuals can basically cheat the system so blatantly and get away with it!
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| Quote ="MashPotatoes"Time to release all the details to the press and name and shame the greedy scumballs. Why keep anything confidential now ? Get it all out there !
It's obvious this is what the trust were %99 sure what was going to happen. So they should be prepared to let is all know the details and see for ourselves.'"
Don't think you will be waiting long.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I know, but I don't want them to be able to absolve themselves of yhe blame.
Even if they were signed up to its unlikely they would ever come into effect so it makes no end what we agree to. Make them poop them selves as their little plan hasn't worked.'"
I cannot speak for the Club but I do not believe there is any chance whatsover they would sign up to the totally unacceptable terms that have been put forward. They would be certified and sectioned if they did.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"SC what I don't understand is why isn't all this being aired in the local press ? If it was a public body they would be crucified in the press but it seems private enterprise are excused from public exposure.
Where the hell are the Wakefield Express in all this anyway - do they have reporters nowadays with the bottle to get into this white collar crap? It's absolutely scandalous that greedy individuals can basically cheat the system so blatantly and get away with it!'"
The Local paper is a waste of space.
We have tried at all times to be reasonable and make compromises but I think the time for reasonableness is long gone.
Any public disclosures will be through a National Media outlet.
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| The terms are known then? From the responses of people in the know, it's obvious that there are people who have acted disgracefully, acted out of greed, and I just find it so hard to believe. I skipped the game tonight. My heart isn't in it.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"The Local paper is a waste of space.
We have tried at all times to be reasonable and make compromises but I think the time for reasonableness is long gone.
Any public disclosures will be through a National Media outlet.'"
Agree re local press. National much better idea!
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"The terms are known then? From the responses of people in the know, it's obvious that there are people who have acted disgracefully, acted out of greed, and I just find it so hard to believe. I skipped the game tonight. My heart isn't in it.'"
They are and as I say they are totally unacceptable.
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