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| Yep totally disgusting. I'm sure any names can be pm'd to Daddy Cool on here.
Let's get rid ASAP.
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| I'm really not interested in this sort of stuff - it's up to the club stewards or the law to deal with it rather than a public lynch mob.
However I'm facinated where this anti semitism with Leeds comes from - I don't get it. I've heard it before over the years but don't get the connection.
I'm not really sure what being Jewish looks like but I can't say the team looks Jewish or that their fans do.
Anyone explain?
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| Quote ="vastman"I'm really not interested in this sort of stuff - it's up to the club stewards or the law to deal with it rather than a public lynch mob.
However I'm facinated where this anti semitism with Leeds comes from - I don't get it. I've heard it before over the years but don't get the connection.
I'm not really sure what being Jewish looks like but I can't say the team looks Jewish or that their fans do.
Anyone explain?'"
Leeds has always had a large Jewish community which grew largely from its booming tailoring industry.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Leeds has always had a large Jewish community which grew largely from its booming tailoring industry.'"
Yes indeed! My arm of the family tree arnt practicing Jews but we are the only part of our family tree that arnt. The main family name is............what for it......... Fox! which goes all over Yorkshire then all over the bloody world (my auntie is nuts for the family tree stuff). Facy that! a Wakey fan been anti Jew and pretty much one of the most Jewish names of all been so connected to the club. Pretty sure like me Don and Neil wernt practicing Jews, but if your name is fox or you have one in your family tree you don't go too far back until they are.
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| This is obviously one moron who, hopefully, the club will deal with if his name has been provided to Mr Carter.
It's refreshing that Leeds fans haven't done the usual "all Wakey fans are anti-Semitic" - which is the oft-heard knee-jerk response to hearing one comment in a crowd; a very measured response, and I hope this unpleasant individual is named and banned.
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| Quote ="vastman"I'm really not interested in this sort of stuff - it's up to the club stewards or the law to deal with it rather than a public lynch mob.
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This was my point earlier. Where do you draw the line when "naming" people on these forums. Didn't some guy in the UK get killed not long back when wrongly accused of being a paedophile?
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However I'm facinated where this anti semitism with Leeds comes from - I don't get it. I've heard it before over the years but don't get the connection.
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When fans could virtually shout what they liked off the terraces way back in the 60's this was generally the favoured insult used by the older guys when playing Leeds. Really, really surprised it's still going on.
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| Quote ="vastman"I'm really not interested in this sort of stuff - it's up to the club stewards or the law to deal with it rather than a public lynch mob.'"
Quote ="bren2k"This is obviously one moron who, hopefully, the club will deal with if his name has been provided to Mr Carter.
It's refreshing that Leeds fans haven't done the usual "all Wakey fans are anti-Semitic" - which is the oft-heard knee-jerk response to hearing one comment in a crowd; a very measured response, and I hope this unpleasant individual is named and banned.'"
I wouldn't publicly name and shame unless there is hard proof, to be honest I'd hold back then - just ban him for life, he was an utter disgrace.
The Leeds fans he was having a go at were a perfectly reasonable bunch, and to their credit did not rise to the bait. Many Wakefield fans in the area were telling him to shut up and were obviously cringing at his behaviour. I dont know what triggered it, but he was completely out of order.
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| Quote ="wakeyrule"I wouldn't publicly name and shame unless there is hard proof, to be honest I'd hold back then - just ban him for life, he was an utter disgrace.
The Leeds fans he was having a go at were a perfectly reasonable bunch, and to their credit did not rise to the bait. Many Wakefield fans in the area were telling him to shut up and were obviously cringing at his behaviour. I dont know what triggered it, but he was completely out of order.'"
Whereabouts in the ground exactly did this happen?
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| Quote ="JINJER"Whereabouts in the ground exactly did this happen?'"
Lower terrace of the North stand. Pretty much around where Leeds' first try was scored.
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| Leeds have some of the best fans in the game. Their support never wavered during last season, and they stuck with them throughout many years of "always the bridesmaid, never the bride". This dominance is only ten years old in reality. I have never associated them with trouble and on the whole a classy bunch, like those of Saints and Wigan.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Leeds have some of the best fans in the game. Their support never wavered during last season, and they stuck with them throughout many years of "always the bridesmaid, never the bride". This dominance is only ten years old in reality. I have never associated them with trouble and on the whole a classy bunch, like those of Saints and Wigan.'"
It's not the fans who earned the Leeds club their reputation.
Watersplash is [uthe[/u prime example.
Yorkshire cup finals at Headingley even when Leeds were in them.
Flashing the cash year after year to entice other clubs star players.
Picking the bones of Keighley Cougars.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Lower terrace of the North stand. Pretty much around where Leeds' first try was scored.'"
I was there - was this the middle aged bloke who got escorted out with a much older guy? I didn't quite see what happened - just the aftermath.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I was there - was this the middle aged bloke who got escorted out with a much older guy? I didn't quite see what happened - just the aftermath.'"
Sounds like the same incident.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I was there - was this the middle aged bloke who got escorted out with a much older guy? I didn't quite see what happened - just the aftermath.'"
The older guy was the one kicking off, the younger guy (someone said it was his son) waded in to back him up.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"In the Jew end of course!'"
Don't even joke about it! its embarrassing for 99.99% of us Trinity supporters
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| I get some forms of racism and xenaphobia - don't agree with it but I see the twisted logic.
In the current climate you can see where it's easy to whip up anti Muslim feeling. In the same way you can see how extremist Muslim clerics whip up anti Christian feeling. It's a two way street I'm afraid.
But anti semitism especially in this country remains a mystery. We share half a religion. We look pretty much the same and share a common culture.
Being a racist of any creed is tedious enough but to bring it down to this level is perverse.
I know RL like football it's meant to be partisan - but only relative to which shirt you wear. It's not meant to be real ffs, it's just a bit of escapism.
This kind of extreme attitude is what ruined football. Worse stil it invites in the finger wagging liberal puritans who will make it their mission to be outraged. In fact there are a fair few already infesting these forums.
So reluctantly I to say grass them up. I don't want to watch a game without plenty of earthy banter between fans but that's what will sadly happen if we don't occasionally weed out the real bad apples.
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| Earthy banter is good for sport, racism/anti semitism/ homophobia etc have no place in our sport, or any sport for that matter.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Earthy banter is good for sport, racism/anti semitism/ homophobia etc have no place in our sport, or any sport for that matter.'"
That would be what I said
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| Quote ="vastman"We share half a religion.'"
Speak for yourself - I don't share any half of any religion, and it always strikes me that a significant amount of strife and division amongst human beings would be gone in a puff of logic if we were to finally grow up as a civilisation and consign all religion to the age of ignorance, where it came from, and still belongs.
But still - until that happy time, we don't want an anti-Semite pensioner running amok on the terraces of BV.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Speak for yourself - I don't share any half of any religion, and it always strikes me that a significant amount of strife and division amongst human beings would be gone in a puff of logic if we were to finally grow up as a civilisation and consign all religion to the age of ignorance, where it came from, and still belongs.
But still - until that happy time, we don't want an anti-Semite pensioner running amok on the terraces of BV.'"
Get ff your big red liberal horse Bren
I meant in a historical sense. I'm not religious but I'm fairly sure my ancestors were!
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| Quote ="vastman"Get ff your big red liberal horse Bren
I meant in a historical sense. I'm not religious but I'm fairly sure my ancestors were!'"
It's my second favourite pet subject. I'm a devotee of Christopher Hitchens - not just atheist, but antitheist; in my view it's the enemy of science and reason, and retards us a civilisation.
But I get your context - historically, we're a christian country; thankfully, that's on the wane - in 2016, for the first time ever, more people in the UK declared themselves to be of no religion than to be christian.
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| It's hard to explain racism without sounding racist but in answer to the question of racism against Jews...... a lot of it comes from the unfortunate historic fact they were persecuted in their homelands, making the immigrants in many countries.
When the likes of Russia and Germany had extreme right or left wing leaders they used the Jews to focus on to imply a purer country of origin. When they settled in America they often made a success especially in finance so were petsecuted for that perceived privilege.
In Charles Dickens day the bad guy or the cheat was often a Jewish....like Fagin.
And in relation to Leeds there has always been a Jewish community there and a successful one at that.
Bigots seem to latch on to things like that and just keep it going when in fact there is no substance to it......and not even any recent history to it either.
I've never understood any racism even though I was brought up in the seventies. Looking back some of the normal everyday language and attitudes of that time seem unbelievable.
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| I was a teenager/young guy in the late 60's and 70's and can assure you many of us were not then and are not now racist. In fact it was my generation that heavily promoted peace, equality and stood up
against bigotry. My father's generation were often racist. That came from pure ignorance in the true sense as many of their generation had not even conversed with or certainly never shook the hand of someone coloured.
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| Quote ="thebeagle"I was a teenager/young guy in the late 60's and 70's and can assure you many of us were not then and are not now racist. In fact it was my generation that heavily promoted peace, equality and stood up
against bigotry. My father's generation were often racist. That came from pure ignorance in the true sense as many of their generation had not even conversed with or certainly never shook the hand of someone coloured.'"
As a 17yr old I went to big bad London for RAR gigs at Victoria park and Finsbury Park, scary times but thousands upon thousands made the effort to stick two fingers up to the NF.
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| You can tell how much we have changed from the 70s with some of the TV programmes back then, I cannot see Love Thy Neighbour being made now
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