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| Quote ="The Avenger"It wouldn't make sense for Wakefield Trinity to get into a Dutch auction with York Court over the purchase of Belle Vue. The only winner there is BoI who benefit from two parties who are supposedly on the same side bidding the price up between them.
From what I can tell, YCP and WMDC took the lead on bidding for the stadium and, as this represented the best way out of the stadium mess for all parties involved, MC took both their word and the back seat.
Judging from the little titbits that MC has revealed since it seems they out and out bare faced lied about seriously bidding and in the end just stepped aside allowing 88M to buy it.
More underhand, scheming and caniving from Mackie and Box.'"
That was the logic but clearlyo know that Yorkcourt renaged and never put in a serious bid.
My point is ans remaons why would anyone ever believe they would after whats happened. Whether it be the Trust, the club or even SWAG who decided to take that advise i don't know but to me it was as serious lack of judgement.
I'm not after blood it's done now and also I wasn't there and I know how convincing these people can be but me personally I wouldn't their word for it if they were just telling me the time. All very sad and so predictably Trinity, for thirty years now I've seen the club suckered time after time and nobody seems capable of breaking that cycle
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| Quote ="davetrin"I often walk the footpaths in this area .Every time I see the giant white shoebox I wonder what the architect was thinking of when he designed this abortion and why did the planning department allow it to be constructed.Presumably the planning department thought it was a very attractive design that fitted in well with the surrounding countryside.'"
I'd hazard a guess you can see it from space!
It needs some dazzle pattern applying to it to at least make an effort to disguise it's monstrous appearance.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Did anyone answer on the other thread the question I asked about why the Trust didn't object when the proposal to allow Newcold to be built outside the S106 was put forward? That seems to have been the key moment when the entire scam was enabled.'"
Exactly !!! and the chairman of the Trust agreed this..
We need to know the reason this was done and what was gained from doing it
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| Quote ="bren2k"Did anyone answer on the other thread the question I asked about why the Trust didn't object when the proposal to allow Newcold to be built outside the S106 was put forward? That seems to have been the key moment when the entire scam was enabled.'"
Could someone please answer .
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| Quote ="Joe Banjo"Could someone please answer .'"
It has been answered above, but for clarity - there were 5 people officially on the Trust at the time, none of those was me, Ian or Jonathan. 2 of those were on the Trust due to their being involved in the club and of the other 3, only 1 appears to have known the truth. Everyone else, including James and Andrew, were led to believe that NC would take us around 60% of the way towards triggering a stadium!
For reference, in case anyone is waiting for more development at NM to help us, please have a look at their marketing material for that site!
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| Quote ="TRB"It has been answered above, but for clarity - there were 5 people officially on the Trust at the time, none of those was me, Ian or Jonathan. 2 of those were on the Trust due to their being involved in the club and of the other 3, only 1 appears to have known the truth. Everyone else, including James and Andrew, were led to believe that NC would take us around 60% of the way towards triggering a stadium!
For reference, in case anyone is waiting for more development at NM to help us, please have a look at their marketing material for that site!'"
Link? assuming it's online.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Link? assuming it's online.'"
Assume you mean a link to the marketing material.
If you find any please let us know where it is because we can't find any which probably answers TRB's question.
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| Who is the one who appears to know the truth?
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| Rodders I think?
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| So, are we saying that Sir Rodney Walker is as much to blame as Box and Mackie?
Has he betrayed the club and the people of Wakefield or does he know something no one else does and if so what on earth could it be?
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| So.......at this point I think it is only fair to remind everyone that accusing someone of wrong doing on this scale better be backed up with evidence otherwise I'll have to be locking and deleting and I'd really prefer not to.
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| Bloody hell surly it's time for the whole truth to come out warts an all
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| I'd love the truth to come out. Can't really understand why it hasn't so far.
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| The whole truth and nothing but the truth. I doubt it will ever be made public with warts and all and if it was it would probably be contested by one side of the participants.
I used to feel anger about the situation years ago , I couldn't care less now.
The council have no intention of assisting Trinity with any aspect of a new stadium and even if a stadium could be built in Wakefield I doubt the land would be made available.
I note with interest that the Leeds council have revoked an offer to Y C C and Leeds rugby for assistance with a stadium and redevelopment plan .
From Wakefield point of view the endless months of can't comment , negotiation at a vital stage and should be able to let you know soon killed it for me.
I'm convinced the moments gone and to look to who can shoulder the blame would be a pointless and frustrating .
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| Quote ="lampyboy"The whole truth and nothing but the truth. I doubt it will ever be made public with warts and all and if it was it would probably be contested by one side of the participants.
I used to feel anger about the situation years ago , I couldn't care less now.
The council have no intention of assisting Trinity with any aspect of a new stadium and even if a stadium could be built in Wakefield I doubt the land would be made available.
I note with interest that the Leeds council have revoked an offer to Y C C and Leeds rugby for assistance with a stadium and redevelopment plan .
From Wakefield point of view the endless months of can't comment , negotiation at a vital stage and should be able to let you know soon killed it for me.
I'm convinced the moments gone and to look to who can shoulder the blame would be a pointless and frustrating .'"
I agree, its ending up a farce.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"The whole truth and nothing but the truth. I doubt it will ever be made public with warts and all and if it was it would probably be contested by one side of the participants.
I used to feel anger about the situation years ago , I couldn't care less now.
The council have no intention of assisting Trinity with any aspect of a new stadium and even if a stadium could be built in Wakefield I doubt the land would be made available.
I note with interest that the Leeds council have revoked an offer to Y C C and Leeds rugby for assistance with a stadium and redevelopment plan .
From Wakefield point of view the endless months of can't comment , negotiation at a vital stage and should be able to let you know soon killed it for me.
I'm convinced the moments gone and to look to who can shoulder the blame would be a pointless and frustrating .'"
Sums it up for me as well.
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| All i want to know is why was Newcold allowed to circumvent the 106?
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| That is the £15 million question that no-one at the council is prepared to answer !!!
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| Quote ="TRB"It has been answered above, but for clarity - there were 5 people officially on the Trust at the time, none of those was me, Ian or Jonathan. 2 of those were on the Trust due to their being involved in the club and of the other 3, only 1 appears to have known the truth. Everyone else, including James and Andrew, were led to believe that NC would take us around 60% of the way towards triggering a stadium!'"
That still doesn't make any sense - it's far too cryptic an answer to a very straightforward question.
If there was a meeting at which WMDC advised the Trust that Newcold wouldn't count towards the trigger for the s106, why didn't anyone from the Trust object? It's the absolute point at which this whole scam was enabled - it's why we're no closer to a new stadium after several years of ducking and diving and secret, sensitive meetings, and why MC is now trying to cobble together a makeshift deal for BV, whilst spinning the plate of a potential move to bloody Dewsbury!
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| Well it's only a few months until planning permission runs out. It'll be interesting to see what happens after that. Does a new application go back in minus the Sporting facilities or does the land get banked until the club gets kicked out of SL and then a new application entered? Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of what going on but one thing I do know is that progress was only achieved by the actions of SWAG, demonstrations and Petitions. With PP due to run out shortly surely that time has come? One thing for sure sat with our thumbs up us jacksies isn't going to achieve anything.
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| There has been an effective start on the outline planning. All detailed plans will be under a reserved matters application I would've thought.
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| I'm pretty sure it would come out in court, anyone fancy a week in court?
I still find it inconceivable that the Wakey express aren't asking some of the questions offered on here.
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| For me it's more about being associated with a council that just happens to be Wakefield who don't care about the social history or connection with our club.
It would appear that the council does not care about Trinity and will never look to support or even acknowledge it's existence.
I have lived in Wakefield 60 years and been a trinity supporter for most of that time.
I have been proud to announce my city whenever asked while working all over the uk and it's always followed with that Rugby country is it Trinity.
If our council does not recognise the advantage of having a professional playing R L club within its city boundaries then Fffffff em.
Tout the name Trinity around and see if any interest can be raised elsewhere.
All councils it would appear are looking not only to increase revenue but to also cut costs and services.
The lack of support from both Leeds and Sheffield councils for Rl seems to outline problems in our sport in general..
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| Quote ="JINJER"I'm pretty sure it would come out in court, anyone fancy a week in court?
I still find it inconceivable that the Wakey express aren't asking some of the questions offered on here.'"
The Wakey express are useless, they've no idea what news actually is. Their website is just clickbait tosh and the majority of stuff they report has been broken days before in other sources.
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