Twice in the last seven minutes we had possession in their 20 and twice we panicked and handed possession back. Dumb football, poor defence combined with a ref and touch judge who only looked at one side.

Ultimately, our poor ball control in the first half is what cost us today.
However, Wilkin should have been binned (at least, maybe sent off) and the last try came off a blatant forward pass, plus the try where the grounding looked short.
Cobb never had control of the game and Wilkin seemed to be doing a fair amount of reffing.

A few weeks ago Powell said that a certain ref was against his team and I firmly believe that James Child has a problem with Trinity.

Whether as the ref or touch judge, we get the crap end of the stick every time he is involved.

Saints were there to be beaten today, instead, we are left looking over our shoulder and waiting for someone below us to slip up.

Child is a joke saints clearly kicked out on full in first half but he ran down touch

We are where we are because of our form several weeks ago. We will go into the middle eights as, once again, the weakest team on current form.

We will be lucky to play in million pound game

No, that was a correct call from where I was stood, right in line with the applicable touch line. The short grounding at 32-34 was the big error.


Would like to see the incident with Wilkin again where Saints got the penalty after he retaliated.

Clear shoulder charge from England. He went to apologise to Wilkin who took exception and started swinging.

He hardly touched him. Wilkin went down like a footballer would. I was embarrassed for him. Now consider Ben flowers late shot on Carney yesterday that went unpunished and you can see why folk get frustrated.

I don't deny that we shot our selves in the foot today on numerous occasions but if the last 2 saints tries were wrongly awarded (the last one was definitely a mile forward) then we would still have been in with a shout of a draw if not a win.

Crazy hit by England in the 1st place as the kick through from Wilkin went straight to Jowitt and created no threat whatsoever. Right up there with Sio's ball steal under Saints posts in the 1st half. IQ's in minus numbers for these guys?

Exactly. Less time in Costa Coffee, more time working on the training pitch ironing out silly plays.

You must have been having a rest from posting on here at the time if you saw that.

Funny thing time init, it's only 6 month ago you were hoping we would come 9th or 10th to get 4 home games in the middle 8s, now listen to yerself

How are we relying on others to keep us in the 8.every point we have we have won are self if the teams below us don't get enough points to overtake us then we have won more points then them so deserve to be there

Wilkins is I am sad to say looking to replace his now fading ability with attempts to con the referees to try to get a penalty or a player removed from the pitch. If you watch any game featuring StHelens on Sky you will see him go through the entire repatoire of underhand skills but to collapse as if shot then suddenly bouncing up to throw a punch he should be on a football pitch. It is sad the this type of performance is increasing in RL and players who participate should be banned.

Absolutely correct
i though ST helens today were one of the most un-sporting teams i have seen at Belle Vue, constantly throwing the ball away at scrums, unsporting behavior from wilkins (including the above) and others just made me dislike the team as a whole.
we have had teams that have been dirty and have won by dirty tactics, but today it was just un-sportsmanlike

Totally agree.

Wilkin has let the media role go to his head and he plays on it big style!

I've watched it 3 times and there was nothing wrong with the last saints try. Their first of the second half however was a county mile forward from Amor.

Talking about the telly and cameras, I thought we might have got something out of the game had Sky been covering the game.

Might of got the odd 50:50
Awarded a penalty or two for off side and lying on in the tackle.

Or are sky saving themselves for the Wakefield V Cas ??????????????????????????????????????????

Well I haven't seen a replay but it certainly looked to come out of amors grasp in a forward motion and don't forget they won't use tv replays to adjudicate on forward passes as the angle can look deceiving

We're relying on Salford not to get their points back, because that would make things interesting. When we lose as we have been (Hudderfield matches aside) we relied on othetresults to go our way. Where we are we are on merit I'll give you that, where we finish is more likely depend on others though.

If you watched the sky try clips, the problem is the camera is behind the play. I was in the north stand so in front of the play and I thought it definitely went forward from Amor

But looking at it that way every team has to rely on others to beat teams for instance if we didn't beat Wigan at home they would be top and not hull so does that mean hull have relied on us for them to be top? No.

Must admit that Saints did resort to unsporting tactics today, and Wilkins should be ashamed of himself. I bet they don't show it on Super League Show tomorrow if he is guest "Expert". Shame really because historically I always admired their open style of play. May be because of their close proximity to Wigan that they've started using questionable tactics. By the way, Child & Cobb should be looking for new jobs tomorrow!!!!

My point is, other teams seem to be taking their fates into their own hands, we don't seem to be. With Catalans and Wigan away and Cas at home I can't see anything other than three loses. It means that we probably will depend more on other results than any other team.