You're spot on with Miller. I said it last season when a rumoured new deal was on the cards he be okay for the championship but if we stayed in SL we needed better.

Personally think he'd be better in the three quarters or at full back as he running game was excellent for a brief period when Smith initially took over. As it currently stands we're back to playing with just one half who isn't a patch on the one we had last year (despite the flaws in his games).

We need that extra quality Chester was referring to but I'm not entirely sure where that's going to come from.

I know there is a tendency on here to look for a scapegoat but I agree with Vasty. The buck stops with Miller.
We did take on the line once at Hull but otherwise a it was a shambles. I sat in the directors box with FC friends and amazingly, they thought our half backs outplayed theirs so perspective is weird sometimes.
Give Jowitt a run at fullback and give Hall a run at 6. It just could not be any less effective. We spent some good minutes in the FC 20 but did not have an idea in the bank.
Finn finds himself in space often, and although he hasn't the pace, a good 6 would be there to finish.

Would rather have Miller in team than Finn any day. Finn is stranded a lot because he has no speed, therefore not fast enough to get to a point on the field to work a move . Met a few ex rugby players who say Finn as been a good player in the lower league but to old and slow for s league.I would try Scott Moore in the half's do not think we would be any worse off. The halfback's have been a problem since D Brough left that no coach since has been able to work out.

How do you think we feel, we have to live with that feeling every game for over a year and counting.

good luck on friday if we defend like we did against catalans ull beat us where shocking this season atleast ur team probs try n put in effort

Funny that because I have never heard anyone connected with the game who would take Miller over Finn, though I concede a few agree with you on Finn ability whilst others don't. What is a red herring is Finns pace, he's never had any but he could work a move at Cas and was more than capable when playing for Fev to be the best H/B on the park when playing Cas and Wigan in the CCup.

Sorry but Millers your problem IMHO and he has shed loads of pace so you've kind of contradicted yourself on that one.

Shedloads of pace, but absolutely no rugby brain whatsoever; he reminds me of Sammutt - speed, agility, plenty of bottle and the ability to occasionally pull off a bizarre solo effort that pays off, but no sense of what's going on around him, amongst his own players or the opposition.

I find it quite amusing that certain people on here are giving their expert opinions on Miller and Finn, the very same people who were almost nauseous in their fawning over Brian Smith, yet apparently he couldn't see all their weaknesses and was quite happy to have them as his first choice half backs so we were led to believe?! I'm pretty sure Smith said Finn would allow Miller to show off all his natural ability to the full, which hasn't really happened has it, am I right in saying Miller hasn't scored a try yet this season, but was scoring them for fun from half way through last season? All a bit strange, maybe Smith wasn't the coaching legend we were told he was by those on here.....

A deal was done with Tim Smith to keep him at BV for 2016 season, I understand that MC put in a great deal of work to get that deal done. Then Tim Smith lets the club and himself down, MC makes the tough call and sacks him at a time of year when all the deals / players have been signed up, we are then left scrapping the bottom of the barrel and end up with Finn and Miller. So in many ways MC was well aware that we needed some quality in the squad and Tim Smith would have ticked that box.

Tim Smith, that model of consistency eh?! We had such a good season with him last season didn't we, not. Don't get me wrong, he had his good days, but they were few and far between, playing well once in every 8 or 9 games isn't good enough.

Well it would do for me at the moment

We are without grix, Ellis, smith, Simpson, Wardle (he will definitely cop a ban). Eorl and huby may/may not play- that's 3 of our first choice props out and our back ups are all kids. (Although i can't say we will miss smith as he's not impressed me at all) Not sure whether brierley will play- but I'm hoping so just to bring a bit of interest to the game. Whatever the outcome I suspect it's going to be a dire game of rugby.

Tim Smith was class, everything creative came from him, have you ever considered Wildmogey that when you thought he was not playing well was because he was surrounded by incompetent players were clueless. This is backed up by what we are seeing this season, without Smith our only option is to hope that opposition miss a tackle. Tim Smith was a fabulous RL player with more skill and guile than the whole of this seasons squad put together. Don`t get me wrong as a person he proved to be a complete knob., but boy do we miss him on the pitch.

We're not short of injuries our self thanks for asking, but I wouldn't worry too much about your poor form it's bound to get better sooner or later

You don't normally talk much sense but in this instance you are spot on.

Smith wasn't great every game, if he was he wouldn't have been at Wakefield but on his day he was up there with the best in the league.

Maybe I'm reading you wrongly but I have to say that post seems monumentally sad to me, maybe it’s just me but surely you want every player and every coach we sign to be a success?

That being the case then surely they deserve a clean slate from the start and a reasonable amount of time to make it work. Would you not expect the same courtesy in a new job?

BS was in charge for a grand total of what 14 games? of which only 4 were with a team of his creation. I simply can’t give an opinion on his coaching ability based on that. He was here for such a short period of time it’s pathetic to even attempt to judge him as a Trinity coach.

As for the way he left and what he said afterwards, well that’s a bit easier - it was a bit shoddy IMO. However nobody saw that coming and if you’re claiming that you knew he’d walk out four games in then I’ll just cover my mouth whilst I have a little giggle to myself.

The way things have turned out shouldn’t make anyone as happy or smug as you appear to be.

I personally wanted Morrison and didn’t think Smith was the right fit but had to agree that you just couldn’t ignore Brian Smith - I’m not going to take any pleasure from it not working out - it’s not as if Morrison or any of the rest were guaranteed to succeed - it seemed a good call at the time, end of - those who revel in hindsight are pure fakes in my book.

So does that apply to Finn then? In that at Cas he looked better because he had better players around him? What happened to Tim Smith at Wigan and Salford, he had better players alongside him yet didn't cover himself in glory did he. To me he was infuriating, I agree he has talent, but he was very inconsistent, he simply didn't play well often enough, but maybe that was to do with his 'off-field' problems, who knows.

Will it's simple wildmoggy, apply for the job - you're clearly qualified and know so much more than the rest of us

Wildmoggy : Finn was never the creative one at Cas, they had Gale, Roberts and Dorn. Finn was used for his kicking game at simply to pass the ball on. Powell must have thought he had won the lottery when we agreed to swap the very talented McShane for Moore as it meant he could drop Finn, which he immediately did. Don`t` get me wrong anyone who plays pro RL deserves respect and Finn had many skills in his younger days, no where near Tim Smith. His legs have gone so he is a sitting target for faster attackers to get on the outside of and pull in the next defender. That said he is miles better that Miller

The club needs a quality half back like Peter Wallace who may be surplus in the NRL.

Despite the fact he has played every game for Penrith so far.

Apologies missed that...I'd read somewhere that he was on the fringes of the squad but obviously not.

No I don't know more than anyone else on here, unlike some who profess to know more than coaches etc. This whole Miller/Finn thing, you and others are giving a detailed account of Millers' perceived weaknesses, yet a coach who has over 30 years experience can't see those weaknesses?! Brian Smith obviously saw enough of Miller in his time last season to offer him an extended deal, yes? Some people on here at that time expressed their opinions that he wasn't up to it, he was a Championship player, and most of them got shot down for doing so, being negative probably. Then they come back and say I told you so, and you say it's hindsight?!! He's an individual, off the cuff type of player, hence the reason Finn was bought, to organise, to be the main kicker in general play etc, to compliment Millers' game perfectly, according to Smith. It hasn't worked, Miller has actually gone backwards since last season, at least he was scoring tries, the leading scorer at the club, this season don't think he's scored any yet. I don't take any delight in the club time and time again making bad choices when it comes to player and coaching recruitment, it's quite depressing and worrying how wrong they get it sometimes, but don't have a go at people for criticising, at the time someone is signed, not 6 months later, at the time. I wish Chester all the luck in the world and hope he gets something out of the squad we have, and at least puts a smile back on the faces of us long suffering fans.....

Called it spot on, lazy,lethargic and bad attitude again!
the OP fancied and rightly so, good win for you guys, we were embarrassing, but you played the game spot on and took advantage of our woefulness.