That's the whole point amigo, I don't know much about the situation at all but I'd like to know more. However oh mighty one, before any of us nobodies can take your word for it we need some explanation as to how you came by it. Or are you so up yourself that you actually believe that Uptoncat (whoever that is) should just be believed.

As it happens what you have posted mkes some sence to me. However if you don't feel the need to explain yourself further and just intend to write comandments like Moses might I suggest you keep your thoughts to yourself. We can agree to disagree but it's not going to be much of a forum if we all just post what we think and then refuse to back it up, or am I missing something here?

You don't need to name names just a rough idea, that's all I'm asking for.

Thanks

Just to be pedantic, and you know how I love to be so...........Moses didn't write the commandments, he just delivered the message given to him by the big G.

Allegedly!
Maybe Uptoncat can throw some "light" on that as well.

Miller is a poor halfback, but if there is one game to play him in, it's tonight, our ex players always do well against us.

Some people might argue that it's much more likely that he did write them...

For what it's worth, I've heard (from a very reliable source) similar stories re BS; also, that his man management techniques were... interesting; he apparently lost the players as a group through his treatment of some individuals - individuals who the rest of the group respected and looked up to.

I'm not for pandering to player power, but it's important when managing a team to understand the dynamic that exists within it - maybe he didn't want to/wasn't able to? And as much as player power should be resisted, so should manager power - it doesn't do to come in relatively new to an organisation and expect to bend it to your will through force of personality and the wielding of power - you sort of have to earn the right, not least by setting out a strategy, helping people understand what you want to change and why, and making sure they're invested in your changes as you go along.

If the story on Smith is true then I'm inclined to say he wasn't at the right place.
I still like him and think he's a good coach and should be respected but you have to know and appreciate the area you are working in. I'm not sure he did.

It would have been better if Cater had never convinced him to come back this year. Smith said it was short term and shouldn't have changed his mind.

On tonight's game, and there after, it will be interesting to see how the same players who aren't quite performing come out and play now.
I don't think we'll see a massive change tonight, though Miller seems to play his best against Hull, but once Chester starts working in earnest I hope to see good things happening.

Very well put.

If we're going to be really pedantic
The tablets of stone aledgedly written on by God were thrown down and broken by Moses when he saw the Isrealites worshiping a false God.

The Ten Commandments were then written onto new tablets of stone by someone, probably not Moses but at least supervised by him.

Back to the thread then..

17 are...

Hall
Jowitt
Gibson
Arundel
Johnstone
Miller
Finn
Scruton
Howarth
England
Molloy
Ashurst
Tupou

Subs..Simon, Walker, Sio, Annakin

I'm sure Wally Lewis passed the tablets 50 yards like a tracer bullet at the bottom of Mount Sinai.

I'm enjoying this religious debate, praise be to you all...

Sounds like the usual story, too many penalties and too much dropped ball.

Out muscled.....England injured...

They fronted up fairly well in defence. Got in the right positions but once in those positions really seemed to be completely clueless. Tom Johnstone impressive again. Gibson did pretty well. Finn tries hard but as we know lacks pace, Miller was better without being outstanding. Losing England early on was a big blow. Hulls second try was never in this world a try. Michaels dropped the ball and out his hands up giving himself up, th crowd all groaned in unison and then child's told him to play on! I know they say play to the whistle but god that was shocking! Jowitt was solid as well. No one was poor really but I'd say hulls forwards were better than wakeys on the whole.

Hulls last 3 tries

Silly of us not to play to the whistle
Blatant obstruction
Forward pass

It was silly not to play to the whistle you're right but it was that obvious a knock on that both sides actually stopped. Michaels gave himself up completely and then child's told him to carry on! Gave some baffling decisions both ways. Should be demoted after that display he really was that bad, again for both teams. Demote him though and who takes his place? Groves was better than both Hocks and Child's for me and the RFL have let him go!

Listened on the radio and while they are normally quite biased they said fair play to Wakefields defence but some of the decisions from Child's were baffling. The mans a numpty and while he can't be blamed for our handling errors he shouldn't be allowed to ref at this level until he has proven himself

He was by no means the reason Wakey lost, far from it. The reason was they couldn't turn pressure in to points and some of the justified penalties were silly. Another baffler kick goes up ball bounces in to a Wakey players hands, player scores, ref pulls it back and awards Wakey a penalty???

The penalty was for blocking a on rushing player and the ball went forward from the bounce so no try and back to original pen.

2 tries in 160 minutes of RL is a bit concerning.

Chester has his work cut out. He has to fix a leaky defence whilst sharpening up a blunt attack. Not easy.

Indeed. I don't envy him.

88 points in 7 games isn't good, especially when you take the 28 points in the Catalans game out of the equation then its an average of 10 in the other 6 games, not scoring higher than 16 in a game. We just don't possess enough creativity but the question is are there players of the required standard out there available and would they come for what we would could pay them?

There must be in the NSW cup and the Championship surely....need a scrum half and a prop in my opinion.

We need prop as England will be burnt out at this rate, Finn Miller not answer halfbacks are a must, work on attacking structure, and another quality Centre, but we won't attract any quality as money is tight and nobody will be attracted to backs to the wall fight every week. Vicious circle,