We scored first try in both games, and like last week we made horrible mistakes when the game was in the balance,
36 mins gone 12-6 then Walton has brain fart and we go and string of poor tackles passes and the game is gone,
I watched Warrington get spanked 46-6 last season at jungle, it's hard place to go, let's just wait till home games,
We won second half last week again Widnes , I have just seen they tried against Leeds, ,, brown was awesome , we need a creative player or we will keep falling short,

Tbf I can't see us winning another game ,

Two games in and we are doomed!
Someone has said, we won the first two last season, then what?
If you don't like what you see don't go.
You are Trin or not, through thick and thin.

And from what I heard

sounds like all the Telly supporters in the local club.2 pint gang,one pint in each half

then home.

What did we expect some say sack Smith what then it’s the same players that no other super league club would have
Miller new contract on the back of a few decent games Finn the less said the better a panic signing (Gibson Hall Arundel Owen Lyne Tansey) would not have a super league player if you combined the 6.
Scruton plays the odd good game in 4 Anderson sorry I see nothing that young British props Yates Walker and Shulver don’t bring
Howarth is a 100% man but again not SL standard
Kirmond a huge disappointment not developed other last 3 years
Ashurst Molloy just not good enough

Sio/Tupou same old overseas players who add very little

England early promise

Annakin am I looking at something else why is he not a starter

Simon is a miss

Next game I would give Jowitt a run along with Morris Annakin Yates Walker Crowther and Walton if all fit get BJB on the wing

Last year we needed a clear out we got it and instead of going with youth and yes risking SL survival we committed suicide signing a bunch of cast offs that nobody wanted a bunch of players past their best or failed to make the grade at Huddersfield Cas Salford

Mate

You are bang on with just about all of that but I would just like to raise a couple of issues.

1. I went to watch 9 of our full time pros take on Dewsbury RESERVES !!! on Saturday and all those alternative guys played.
They offered nothing more than the players yesterday apart from Hall and Simon. So other than those two,I believe bringing the rest in is not the answer.

2. I totally agree about the stupid signings and the players that need ditching but my question is this, Who at the club is going to make the astute replacement signings that we need. The same people that will be doing this are the same people that dropped the huge boo boo by signing those crap players in the first place. Would you trust the person who thought Liam Finn was the answer to continue to recruit your players ?

Ok, let me start by saying once again, we are two games in. No one can say for sure how things will turn out yet, whether positive or negative. It's all just opinion based on a brief view.

Saying that, my view is:

Positives
England - He brings a lot of go forward and aggression
Howarth - 100% effort and quite clever with the ball in hand
Lyne - Showing good speed with more confidence than previous years. Better defence too.
Arona - Good go forward and leg drive in the tackle.

Fitness: Seems 100% better than previous years - in both games we were still trying at the end of the game. We weren't just giving up.
Enthusiasm: Gang tackles in to touch and back slapping against Widnes showed a lot of pride and enthusiasm

Potential but questionable

A Tupou - Nice touch against Widnes showed his skill but we really haven't seen our top player yet. Needs time to find his feet (and warm weather I reckon)
B Tupou - Isn't quite running with the same force as last year yet. not looking bad but has more to show. Question over centre or wing being his position.
Ashurst - Running good lines in my opinion and working hard but not getting the great pass he deserves.
Gibson - I liked him in preseason but he hasn't quite done it yet.
Walton - I think he'll be great in the long run, prefer to see him in the centre rather than second row. Making some mistakes we could do without.
Molloy - hasn't hada lot of chance but has more of a running game than he has shown. Needs to be pushing Kirmond out of his position.


Negative
Miller - Not seeing his running and side stepping yet. Maybe he needs hard ground but he has skills we desperately need.
Finn - His kicking game was the one thing we bought him for. Against Leeds it was great, seems to have drifted away. Get it back fast as he hasn't got the speed to do the running game. He has had some awful passes though which cost him time on the ball. Hall will have to step up if he doesn't get better soon.
Kirmond - Needs to be better and I am doubting that he has it at all now. I would drop him for next game.
BJB - Isn't hitting the line like he should. He is a major strike for us but just isn't getting or searching for the ball in the right areas.
Johnstone - He has more to offer in attack than most but a few mistakes are hurting us and him. Needs to work hard on game concentration

Errors in play - tackle discipline and dropped ball hurt us badly. It's a skill in itself and clearly Smith is trying to change how we play with holding down longer and running wider but the players have to pick this up quicker or we'll just pin ourselves back every 6 like we have in the first two games. We are beating ourselves.

Forwards
Scruton/Anderson and the other props if they replace them need to up their game. Whenever we did anything good at the end of last season it was when the front row was dominant.
Simon and Moore injuries are hurting us a little in the pack too but doesn't give the rest an excuse.

I think we have gone to a running back row game too quickly. Until the half backs can sort out their passing game, we need 5 props in the 17. 2 + 2 props and 13 driving hard and making ground. I'm happy with Arona being 13, certainly until Simon comes back, but we need two props on the bench, even if England does long minutes.

I still think we have wins in us. It will take time but there is a lot of potential in this team. It doesn't really matter when as long as we get there sometime in the first half of the season but the fans will clearly want to see this soon. We've had a lot of disappointment and the crowd won't be patient for long.

You're right, I mean when you think of all those quality players were queuing right across superbowl car park to join the club on less than what our rivals can afford. Makes you wonder why we signed Finn who was a key part of Cas getting within 1 game of LLS in 2014.

There is barely enough talent to sustain 12 top flight clubs in the UK, we are at the bottom of the pecking order in terms of attractiveness and financially in SL. We have to be realistic and realise that if we cant get the team to be more than the sum of it's parts, we are gonna struggle. We have had wholesale changes again and the team will need to bed in, it's not ideal but thats the way it is.

The excuse of bedding players in is wearing very thin, what do you think pre season games are for?

If we are relegated, it will be because we weren't good enough *over the season* to avoid it; we are currently 2 games in and as far as I'm aware, no clubs fate is decided yet. If so, I look forward to seeing Leeds take on Fev and Batley next year, while Widnes win the treble.

So a side having played a few preseason games together should be as effective as where the majority of players have played together for 2 - 3 years?

It didn't seem to effect Salford on friday who have half a new team, or Widnes yesterday who had the exact same number of debutants on the opening game of the season season as ourselves. Yes Cas are way ahead of us on the field, we all know that but Salford and Widnes are bottom four targets for us. Sadly we are way off them as well from what has been seen so far and we need to get up to speed pdq.

A trip to an injury stricken Hull KR could be just what the doctor ordered right now as we desperatley need to scrape a win and gain some confidence, because if we can't beat them with half their first team sat watching in the stands who will we beat?

And equally, we could easily have beaten Widnes yet they manage a result against Leeds.

Too early to call.

Half-backs can make forwards & backs look good or bad. We have had no half-backs with speed or guile since Danny Brough left. (Tim Smith had guile) Flynn is too slow & supporters who said we should not have bought him, have been proved correct. It is better to have quality over quantity every time! We have got a larger squad but very little quality in the half-backs, where it matters.

That was my first thought too which made the loss at Cas by such a margin and in such a way difficult to understand. Fitness is there and attitude was evident against Widnes all 80 minutes and the first 20 yesterday seemed very equal so I just don't understand what the reason was.

Even bigger mystery is why if he was such a key player as you suggest Cas were quite happy to release him whilst he was still on contract.

Good comment. I am not one for wholesale changes but clearly the halfbacks are already identified as a problem area. So, do we part them and find a place for Hall? In my opinion if we can get it out of him, he has more skill than Miller and Finn together !

Indeed so needing time to gel can't be used as an excuse as was my point. Many teams have new conbinations at this time of year so rule out that as the problem. We didn't beat widnes because we wasn't quite good enough to on the day, simple as. Cas are a mile away from us anyway. Next week will be a fairer reflection of where we are and fwiw i think we will win.

So true. Our recruitment has gone down hill since we dropped Kears policy of signing the decent Championship players, trouble is you need a coach that has knowledge of these players. Signing proven super league failures can only to lead to one conclusion. We must be the only team thats ever got rid of of an 18 year old for not been good enough and then resign him 15 years later at the back end of a mediocre career.

From the reports from people who went yesterday, it seems that Gale was running the show.
Is this why Finn is being singled out for criticism?
Because at Cas he was playing alongside a creative half, whilst he went about his business.
Unfortunately Miller is not a creator, or will run the game, he is more of an individual, who may back up a break or latch onto the pass out of the tackle.
Finding another Gale, Kelly, Campese or even Lui, that's another thing.

England is a cast off but is clearly a good signing for us.
Howarth is a cast off after already being cast off but he's proving very valuable (in fact our top try scorer right now!)
Moore was a cast off but was instalment in keeping us in Super League (playing injured when he didn't have to)

BJB hasn't had opportunity to show his running skills yet but was pretty much seen as a great signing for Wakefield by all the media and most on here.

Arona isn't doing badly and whether he turns out to be good or not Tupou has been an Australian international. You can't say it wasn't a good shot at a signing.

I know you always look on the bright side and try and defend the club at all times. I think most people would agree that all our signings are not bad. We do have some good players to build a half decent team around . My argument is we also have too much
mediocrity and could loose at least 5 players from our squad who will probably hardly play or figure this season.

Also we are lacking 2 or 3 class players to build the team around. We have tried to cut corners and cost all over the park and
it looks like that formula will not work. A couple of bits of quality in the right area and this team of ours would look a much better
squad. However if we stick with what we have I do not feel optimistic.

I don't always defend the club, there are plenty of things, and personnel I'd change if I was in charge but I do see more bright side than some on here.

What I am pointing out is that it isn't as black and white as has been implied.
The signings were made based on the finances we have. Some of them have proved to be good. Some of them have yet to show if they have anything at all.
That is not the same as our recruitment was bad.

And in terms of depth we will have to have some players who don't play this year. Partly to keep them if they are young, and partly to have a fall back if we get injuries. It's building a team class 101.

I am disappointed the team is not doing better, but I am not ready to believe they are all rubbish and destined for relegation.

Calm down, when you won at Leeds in the boxing day friendly, you were heading for the top 4 !

Until our pack starts to get used to this new system BS is trying to play our halves will continue to look very poor. Hopefully it clicks soon and if the pack start to get some go forward we might start to see a lot more from them.
its early days.