Quote ="Fergus"hull v rhinos momentum my ars*. Sod the science behind it - if it looks forward then it is forward. Maguire try 53rd minute absolute shocker - and the idiot ref is running alongside with his stupid head camera proving just how forward it was - ya couldn't make it up !!'" This video explains the forward pass rule very well for both codes of rugby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg After watching the video tell me what a forward pass is?

Quote ="Fergus"hull v rhinos momentum my ars*. Sod the science behind it - if it looks forward then it is forward. Maguire try 53rd minute absolute shocker - and the idiot ref is running alongside with his stupid head camera proving just how forward it was - ya couldn't make it up !!'" This video explains the forward pass rule very well for both codes of rugby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg After watching the video tell me what a forward pass is?

If it looks forward............ its forward. Simples.

Forget all the physics sheeeeeeeite ( I failed my GCE so I don't really geddit anyway ). I'm sure we didn't have to put up with this rubbish momentum bologni twenty years ago.


And here endeth the thread.

Would you say if a player, stood still, passed the ball with enough force to make it travel backwards at a speed of, say, 1m/s that that would be a forward pass?

I JUST HAVE TO LAUGH. IT IS VERY SIMPLE.A pass that travels from point a to point b is forward if point b is in front of point a. I would like that to be my new revolutionary contribution to Rugby League Football for the next season, if not this one if the world could regain its frigging sanity. Then I wouldn't feel cheated that my sides try was disallowed for a pass that was mm forward and the momentum and hands vs the last weeks try might have made it a try and its all so complex..BUT ITS NOT,,,FORWARDS IS FORWARDS!!!!!

So, if a player standing still passes the ball backwards using enough force to make it go backwards at a speed of 1m/s you'd be happy that's not a forward pass?

But of course that is not what the laws of the game say is a forward pass, and as far as I am aware, they never have said this. So, no wonder you are getting confused because if you don't understand the laws of the game then you are always going to struggle!

This is what the law actually says -

[iDeliberate 1. A player shall be penalised if he deliberately knocks on or passes forward.[/i

and the most important bit, the bit you and others clearly don't understand -
[i
Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.[/i

This is the bit you need to understand and of course the law really has to be this way because even the RFL or its players can't break the physical laws of the universe!

Sorry but it's not that simple. And, this may be news to you, the sun doesn't go round the earth and the earth isn't flat!

Yep. The video that The Biff's Back posted on the previous page is the best way to demonstrate it.

It would not work on the ipad but just looked it now on the lap-top and indeed it is a great video... maybe Sky Sports should do their own specific RL version?

I particularly like the guy throwing the ball backwards over his head in full run and it travelling 3m forward relative to the pitch, that really should demonstrate to the doubters why you don't judge forward passes relative to the pitch.

The interesting bit Him is how many of the above people in this thread claiming to know what a forward pass is will actually bother to watch it, or will they prefer to remain in blissful ignorance???

Yeah the one where he throws the ball over his head is a perfect example. It cannot be disputed that he threw the ball backwards.

Well there's always some. They can continue to pretend everything was wonderful and rosy in RL when they gave "forward passes", we wasted a load of money on Union converts and Aussies, and a few people knew who Martin Offiah was.

Ah shadduper ya face - forwards is forwards.

Physics is all abart potassium.

Bore off and patronise someone else. It was a forward pass which the officials sadly did not pick up. Hey ho, Leeds would still have won at a canter anyway.

Have you watched the video?

Yeah I watched the video. A little off topic, the rare time I watch union and the rare times 2 passes are strung together I can't help but noticed even less forward passes are called in union.

So you saw the bit where the player threw the ball backwards over his head?

A with everything in rugby league, what should be a very simple rule has been convoluted into something complicated.

the onus should be on the player to take into account his momentum, the blowing wind etc,etc,etc. and still ensure the ball travels backwards. SIMPLE.

but no, what we need is for the referee to watch the video before whipping out his calculator and protractor to make a decision.

So you'd disincentivise fast running?

No. I would encourage better ball handling skills

Is disincentivise a real word, if so Bren will be using that one.

Or fact checking

It must be when he uses it, because it's spelt properly.

So, instead of the referee getting his calculator and protractor out the fellah with the ball would have to stop and do a quick calculation! Totally f...ing laughable post. The rule is already simple. It's not necessarily easy to make the correct decision when someone's running near the speed of Usain Bolt and passing the ball to someone else also running at the same speed or faster possibly at a different angle but the rule is simple.

It is not simple though is it? It is purely subjective to the referees interpretation.

How much tolerance do you allow for momentum 1m 2m ,10m ?

how do you think forward passes were judged for over 100 years before the mythical momentum rule ?

Owned it there Captain Caveman - glad you are on my side.

None. You just look at whether when he passes it it comes out of his hands backwards taking no account as to where it ends up.