Not what I've heard. Could just be a rumour but there's no smoke without fire.

I'll ask then whats the smoke saying

Na not John Kear, atleast we are capable of playing some quite entertaining/expansive rugby at times under agar. Question is: is this current group of players capable of better and are underachieving under agar, or are they just actually not really that good.....?

Heard a rumour a change of coach is abound. JD's name has been mentioned as a replacement. Not sure how reliable the source is but as I said before, no smoke without fire.

Think should stick with Agar till end of season then if we've gone backwards, get rid although it'll cost for the 3rd year of his contract and a drop in pre-season ticket sales if we don't turn it around and/or sack Agar.

Apart from Annakin I wouldn't renew any of this lots contracts or extend them. There are a few fringe players that have not progressed in last 12 months and think a career in the championship beckons for them. There are those in the first 20 who are not up to it week in week out whether its fitness or heart or both I'm not sure but there won't be a queue to sign them. We all know who they are that follow the team so they won't be named.

Can't look at shifting many of them now as need the bodies as squad is so small but there is a lack of passion from such a disjointed defensive and attacking display and think there may be trouble at mill between players and coaches as they clearly aren't taking on board instruction/ coaching if its happening?

If you get the chance to look at that game again when it showed the changing room at half time it looked as though no one cared less least of all Agar.

Can't see agar going given that contract extensions and new signings are being made

Kear kept us up, but ended with us playing some of the worst rugby I've ever seen us play.

Ithought under JK it was JD

who did the motivation and player rattling?

I'd rather bring back JD than JK

JD now that was a player who while not the greatest of players gave his all and even gave it when he was carrying an injury.

There may be quite a few players in that situation now too. Thin squad, chance your arm syndrome. If so, it seems the wrong approach to me, though I can understand why.

Back to Kear: no, thanks. I think it's up to the players now to take what the coach says on board. I think Agar is the meticulous sort who really does go into detail, and doesn't expect to have to give the rousing half-time team talk, because he expects his players to be intelligent enough and motivated enough to know what to do.

No...sorry, we never played some of the worst Rugby we've ever played under Kear, ever. We may have played dull, functional Rugby under Kear when he was stripped of his best, but the worst RL I have seen since the mid 80's is under Agar...when he's had relative luxury regarding resources. We are clueless and disarticulated pillocks under Agar. We look like strangers who dont know each other for most of the games he's been in charge. I wish we were rid.

And RL players are geniuses who can translate stats into results???? Some maybe...very few. Agar is an advisor not a leader...end of story for me

They don't need to be geniuses, they just need to follow the game plan their coach has set for them and adapt accordingly. It's the only job they do, so it shouldn't be too much to ask of them.

Do you really think JK had the players to play expansive rugby? He had a bunch of SL rookies. At the time we needed a change 5 year cycles and all that. Pathetic Agar saying he cannot motivate the players its his job. Pathetic we cannot defend every week with 0 signs of improvement, pathetic he plays players who are a shambles every week and keeps them in the team. Team is a good side. Agar not cutting the mustard.

A move to France at the end of the season and a full time job with the French team is the rumour I kept hearing over the weekend.

that makes sense team that kear inherited was awful, as was the team when we were going tits best coach we have had in the super league era by a mile , if the rumours about france are correct then he should resign now


I would rather we built our performances on nilling other teams, at moment we play like under 8s on a sunday morning

They've got all that Herbalife cack to sell on as well.

I'm not right into bashing previous teams especially the job that Kear did etc but can't agree with you here at all. I remember some absolutely awful performances under Kear, easily as bad as the last couple. Leaving that 2011 season to one side, in 2010 we were terrible at times and took some right hammerings.

Agreed 2010 was the worst for me. Only time i have happily missed games!

Not one for changing the coach mid season and as far as the league position goes, we are not far off where i would have expected us to be at the start of the season, but......

The manner of our defeats is what is causing me concern. The 2nd half at HKR was terrible, no fight, commitment and what looked like a total lack of interest. I was hoping for some kind of response on Saturday and got absolutely nothing. From minute 1 Cas just wanted it more. Again we didnt look that interested.
We have not improved defensively in the last 18 months. That is a serious worry. We do not work hard enough in defence. Too many people having too many breathers. Basic things like not moving up on the blind, missing too many 1 on 1's, communication, general stuff that should just be the norm. It needs sorting and after 18 month of trying i am not sure RA can do that.

Wigan are Wigan, we dont expect anything from that game (wouldnt it be like Wakey to do something?). The decider for me, could be the Salford game the week after. Lose that live on Sky and i think there would be an impact on the future attendance figures (actual people in the ground!). Which, lets be honest is the only way anyone is going to take notice.

Like most Im expecting a Geoff Boycott score against us by Wigan but cant see us getting anything from the Salford game to be honest.If we come away from Salford with nothing I fear the fans will stay well away against London.

Salford away will be a trip for the diehards.
We are expecting this game to be on the back of a 4 match losing streak AND its on Sky AND its on a Monday evening, in Manchester.

Anyone going ?

Hopefully the team will turn up.