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| Quote ="snowie"just wondering how open would you be with financial situation, there has to be a cut off point to being honest as it could put the club more vulnerable than you think'"
Point taken Snowie but no info whatsoever leads to all kinds of rumour and speculation as you can see in previous posts.
Are the supporters trust being kept informed?
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| Quote ="Trinity 61"Point taken Snowie but no info whatsoever leads to all kinds of rumour and speculation as you can see in previous posts.
Are the supporters trust being kept informed?'"
A meeting tonight apparently
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| It is certainly strange that the club doesn't appear to be working harder to avoid CCJ's and as suppoprters, there ought to be some better feedback from the club as to why this sort of thing keeps happening.
However, wild speculation without any detail is not really going to help anyone.
Am I correct in thinking that if a company does not pay to lear the CCJ, the next step would be a winding up order, which would enforce payment or cause said company to cease trading ?
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| Nothing to worry about according to AG on twitter. 'Business' apparently. Time will tell i guess.
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| Quote ="Trinity 61"Yes I think Jimmy Elston once said at a meeting that the new regime would be open and honest with the fans.
Time to be just that!
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Quotes like that will always come back and bite you on the backside. You'd have thought he'd have learned that from being here under the last regime.
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| Players payments all been met and on time. All it was was a change in date of payment.
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| No fan likes seeing this when they log onto the forum and once is understandable but the more of these we have the better they need to explain them. We don't hear of the bigger sides going through this so why are we. The Club should understand that when these things happen, people will think the worst and comments about the old days will start to crop up more & more.
Of course we have a very tight budget here, that should go without saying, whether some people want to call that skint it's up to them but I wouldn't look at it that way. There's no way we can expect AG to be constantly sticking his own funds into the clubs like various other owners have to and I wouldn't want it that way tbh.
Hopefully what Uptoncat says is correct and it's all sorted but I do hope this is the end of them and we can just concentrate on winning the GF.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Players payments all been met and on time. All it was was a change in date of payment.'"
So it was the players who applied to the courts for the CCJ to be issued to the club. I find that a bit strange if true.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"No fan likes seeing this when they log onto the forum and once is understandable but the more of these we have the better they need to explain them. We don't hear of the bigger sides going through this so why are we. The Club should understand that when these things happen, people will think the worst and comments about the old days will start to crop up more & more.
Of course we have a very tight budget here, that should go without saying, whether some people want to call that skint it's up to them but I wouldn't look at it that way. =#FF0000There's no way we can expect AG to be constantly sticking his own funds into the clubs like various other owners have to and I wouldn't want it that way tbh.
Hopefully what Uptoncat says is correct and it's all sorted but I do hope this is the end of them and we can just concentrate on winning the GF.
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From what I have been told AG has only put money into the club once and that was when he became the owner.That money was then taken out straightaway when we stayed in super league and was given the Sky money.
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| The problem is that AG is not as well off as it appeared and can't afford to keep the club afloat. Not all millionaire business men are actually millionaires and a millions pounds is not much money any way nowadays.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"This is something that I have pleaded for before due to my dealings with he club. I've no qualms with Jimmy and Davide working at the club, they are committed and hard working and an assett to spirit of 1873. But they are very 'green' where running a business is concerned and could really do to be a management level lower at this stage of there careers, or at least have other specialists in place to help them out. We could seriously do with someone experienced club administration, a mentor to them if you like. The investment would be worth its weight in gold. Mr Glover is only there part time, he has his own businesses to run as well and there is a real knowledge vacuum in the management team in his absence.
Sadly I keep hearing stories that do not reflect well on the club, more akin to the previous owners. It needs sorting and quickly.'"
It's not "like" it's exactly the same.
I said this until I was blue in the face and continually got shot down by certain poster. The old regime didn't fail because they were incompetent or especially dodgy. They failed because eventually they were overwhelmed by a business simply incapable of sustaining itself at a SL level in it's present circumstances.
The line between success and failure is as narrow off the pitch as on. It is BV tah simply cannot produce the income required - it never could and it never will. NM will not offer drastically more revenue certainly not at the begining. However the difference will probably be enough for us to be on the right side of survival - just.
Until then we will limp into NM with the BOD having to borrow/lend to keep us afloat. If they manage it and it's not guaranteed the new stadium and a hopefully improved economy (an issue many on here don't seem to register) will see us through.
Before the AG protector brigade come along, I'm not blaming him or his people for anything - it was always an impossible ask for the last owner and it will remain so for this one for a few years yet.
Best of luck
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| Quote ="Disney cat"So it was the players who applied to the courts for the CCJ to be issued to the club. I find that a bit strange if true.'"
No I didn't say or imply that. I was referring to an earlier post which implied players payments were late. That wasn't the case the payment date has just been changed by a couple of days. Hope that clears that up for you.
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| Nothing to worry about according to AG on twitter. 'Business' apparently. Time will tell i guess.
Must be budgeted for.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"No I didn't say or imply that. I was referring to an earlier post which implied players payments were late. That wasn't the case the payment date has just been changed by a couple of days. Hope that clears that up for you.'"
Thanks
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| See Supporters Trust thread
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| At least the new regime are TRYING to make improvements to a club that was on its knees. The old regime had years upon years to put a stand up AG did it in 6 month!
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"At least the new regime are TRYING to make improvements to a club that was on its knees. The old regime had years upon years to put a stand up AG did it in 6 month!'"
You miss the point.
It's nothing to do with Ted or AG it's to do with the general state of the club and the ground IMO. BV has been improved significantly over the past 20 years starting with the floodlights, boxes, new toilet blocks and new barriers. All this cost it just happens that the latest and most visible was the roof.
The sad fact is that despite AG's best efforts I fear we still don't generate enough cash to run a SL club at a level to compete. We are not alone just look at Salford and even Bradford.
I assume you are young. Thus a bit of history. After the Hillsborough disaster a lot of clubs were clobbered by new ground rules (by law). BV was hit harder than most and money earmarked for a new stand was continually diluted to meet these new criteria, the floodlights being an expensive one along with the underpinning of the kop.
I feel very sorry for anyone who takes on WTRLFC the BV version unless of course they are midas rich which would be nice.
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| Quote ="vastman"You miss the point.
It's nothing to do with Ted or AG it's to do with the general state of the club and the ground IMO. BV has been improved significantly over the past 20 years starting with the floodlights, boxes, new toilet blocks and new barriers. All this cost it just happens that the latest and most visible was the roof.'"
I wouldn't argue that BV is a millstone that will drag down whomever owns the club, so long as it is based there; NM can't happen soon enough.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Firstly to use carphone warehouse as an example,is just silly.They are part of a international group of companies,established for over 25 years,with a positive(millions and millions) balance sheet.Not a new start business with a negative balance sheet.
Secondly the dispute has already been resolved --- by the court -- we lost!!!
The facts are quite simple,weve been found against by the court in each of these matters.We could then still have avoided having the ccj registered and in the public domain,if we had then paid up within 30 days.
I dont have an issue with businesses going to court over disputes,but it is foolish in the extreme once youve been found against not to pay up within 30 days.'"
I disagree, to use carphone warehouse as an example is not silly at all, it fully supports my point. A big, well known and financially strong company has CCJ's against them. Do you think any less of CPW or think they will go bust? Do you think they have financial troubles? I suspect you don't. So to say it is a silly example is missing my point completely.
CPW lost their CCJ against me. CPW lost. The court ruled in my favour. If the court ruled against Wakefield Trinity does that mean the situation is vastly different?
Only the club know the true ins and outs of this CCJ, we can just see the public record.
I think, as I said before, people should calm down unless they know the facts.
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| Quote ="vastman"It's not "like" it's exactly the same.
=#FF0000I said this until I was blue in the face and continually got shot down by certain poster. The old regime didn't fail because they were incompetent or especially dodgy. They failed because eventually they were overwhelmed by a business simply incapable of sustaining itself at a SL level in it's present circumstances.
The line between success and failure is as narrow off the pitch as on. It is BV tah simply cannot produce the income required - it never could and it never will. NM will not offer drastically more revenue certainly not at the begining. However the difference will probably be enough for us to be on the right side of survival - just.
Until then we will limp into NM with the BOD having to borrow/lend to keep us afloat. If they manage it and it's not guaranteed the new stadium and a hopefully improved economy (an issue many on here don't seem to register) will see us through.
Before the AG protector brigade come along, I'm not blaming him or his people for anything - it was always an impossible ask for the last owner and it will remain so for this one for a few years yet.
Best of luck
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I'll question your logic on that one, the rest i wholly agree with though.
Ted's business failed on the back of the point you raised not the club.
The club (and Ted) failed because of incompetency and dodginess almost completely.
Incompetent at bringing in investment and speculating on ways of moving the club forward and making the most of what it had in order to improve and go forward, incompetent at spotting the deserting fans and the reasons of dissatisfaction amongst those fans.
A mixture of incompitance and greed at not handing the club on when he had the opportunuty and taking us right up to the abyss.
As for dodgy, the lack of support from the RFL was probably a reflection of this, based on the years of lies and failed promises handed out in the direction of Red Hall.
A view held largely by the media and the watching RL public i might add.
Also the lack of support shown by the drifting dissatisfied fans and when he came out with the begging bowl prior to us going pop, the air of distrust shown by the fans was more than evident.
So, sorry i dont go along with that premise at all - i guess that won't come as much of a surprise though!!!
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| Quote ="wildshot"I disagree, to use carphone warehouse as an example is not silly at all, it fully supports my point. [uA big, well known and financially strong company[/u has CCJ's against them. Do you think any less of CPW or think they will go bust? Do you think they have financial troubles? I suspect you don't. So to say it is a silly example is missing my point completely.
CPW lost their CCJ against me. CPW lost. The court ruled in my favour. If the court ruled against Wakefield Trinity does that mean the situation is vastly different?
Only the club know the true ins and outs of this CCJ, we can just see the public record.
I think, as I said before, people should calm down unless they know the facts.'"
Sorry,but youve just highlighted yourself why its silly to compare the two.
"Big,well known and financially strong" add into that well established,everything Spirit of 1873 isnt.
I havent suggested anyone is going bust/having financial troubles.
Any new start business attracting this amount of adverse info is doing itself no favours at all.
The public record is what every single financial institution will use to establish the strength of the business.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"I'll question your logic on that one, the rest i wholly agree with though.
Ted's business failed on the back of the point you raised not the club.
The club (and Ted) failed because of incompetency and dodginess almost completely.
Incompetent at bringing in investment and speculating on ways of moving the club forward and making the most of what it had in order to improve and go forward, incompetent at spotting the deserting fans and the reasons of dissatisfaction amongst those fans.
A mixture of incompitance and greed at not handing the club on when he had the opportunuty and taking us right up to the abyss.
As for dodgy, the lack of support from the RFL was probably a reflection of this, based on the years of lies and failed promises handed out in the direction of Red Hall.
A view held largely by the media and the watching RL public i might add.
Also the lack of support shown by the drifting dissatisfied fans and when he came out with the begging bowl prior to us going pop, the air of distrust shown by the fans was more than evident.
So, sorry i dont go along with that premise at all - i guess that won't come as much of a surprise though!!!'"
No surprise - best I can say is you had to be there to know how it really was whilst fully accepting not everybody could be.
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| Wow and another one!!!!!
I wonder what excuses will be trotted out this time.......
21/02/2013 NORTHAMPTON CCBC £4,877 Judgement 3XJ80257
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| From a catering firm. The owner really has a cheek was caught with sticky fingers in too many wakey pies. I wouldn't have paid the little scrote up either after what he did
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"From a catering firm. The owner really has a cheek was caught with sticky fingers in too many wakey pies. I wouldn't have paid the little scrote up either after what he did'"
Did he put horsemeat in the pies???
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