The teams results have improved without Aiton, would you not play him??
Players play different games. Some try to bust, some are all about getting the easier metres and then getting a quick play of the ball away. 12 meters and an 9 seconds play the ball or 8 meters and a 4 seconds play the ball? Depends where you are on the field but both are required during the course of a game.

Danny Cowling should probably keep his trap shut - if he isn't on his way out now, he could be if he makes a habit of passing on details of confidential club matters to supporters, who go on to repeat it on an internet forum; I can't imagine his fellow professionals being too happy about their salary details being bandied about either.

Here here!Vastman thinks you have to be tall and I would think they are world beaters like Captain Kirke at Leeds which isnt true its technique, leg drive, ability to use your fast twitch muscle fibres quickly etc. Southern gets tackled one on one at prop doesnt that tell vastman something? No he just has to disagree for the sake we have won 3 on the bounce and our forwards have dominated we wouldn't dominate with Southern in END OF. Amor has all of the above Southern hasnt and Johnson is improving.

Errr - Southern isn't a prop...

Weren't you complaining about how our forwards were midgets?

I did say throw Aiton in the mix. Southern wouldn't get into at least 10 teams in super league on the form he's shown. So why is he good enough for our pack ? Like I said I'd like so see him improve and get another shot at some point but it would be a shame to push out current players while they are doing something he couldn't.

I agree, i dont see a place in the side for him at the mo as there is no reason to change the side for anybody at the minute. I said earlier that i didnt think we had had good value out of him, but at the same time i really dont see him as an out and out failure and can see what he brings to the side on the occasions when he has played albeit for less minutes than everyone had hoped.

For the record, i would be very surprised if he was one of the top earners, based on where he was playing and the lack of offers on the table to him at the time of signing*

*Please note this is out and out guess work.

cop 4 this you daft man

Your right Vastman, potato does sound better

Correct,

however I would not put him infront of Ali,Kirmond or frankie as a second rower either.

over rated over the hill aussie surplus to requirements as far as i can see

Southern is a good solid tackling second row that has proved himself in the NRL. He has had a poor season as he has been played out of position and got battered and injured as a result. He also appears to have had some personal problems off the pitch which wouldn't help. He deserves another season as a second row to prove what he is capable of. The prop position needs sorting though and we may need to pick up one/two (from Bradford?) if we lose Amor back to Leeds. Good if the rumour about O'Meley is true although who comes off the quota maybe it will be Southern or Issac John?



Mellors has had a poor season and maybe he is more of a winger? Can we really afford to keep him when we have good young wingers coming through?

Bearing in mind I don't think he has actually played any game anywhere other than as a prop - which positions are you comparing????

Kirmond has been outstanding
Ali is great but won't be playing 80 mins next year
Mariano is good at what he does but has holes in his game

Southern is great at what he does. In the tough games when you need a big defender I'd rather have him playing.

^^this^^

and add to that the fact that he's expensive, i can't help thinking that we've signed a dud.

How much is he earning rhuby, I missed the press release?

Ask Danny Cowling.

We have signed a dud in terms of what we needed, I don't think anyone can really deny that.

The only issue is whether Southern is, was and always will be a dud as some seem to think - or he was the wrong player at the wrong point in his career who has due to injury, positional issues and off field issues been a victim of circumstance.

With him I veer to the latter - sometime it just doesn't work out - other times the player is a time waster like Peterson a few seasons ago.

Mellers played out of position all season hes a winger Southern jury out untill next season for me

didn't anyone see Southern try and tackle the Bradford player while he was laying on his back recieving medical attention? he pushed the medic away to try and tackle the player- probably making his injury worse. If someone like Aiton or Kirmond had have done that he would have become a legend on here. just hope gets to play at second row and show what he's good at.

Always ask why they are still not playing in Oz.In Smiths case we all know he had off field problems and was more or less last chance saloon but credit to the bloke he has come good.Mellars was a good solid player for crusaders but on the wing and could come good next season.Collis aint done bad to say he aint been fully fit and next season could prove a good buy but needs to bring his wingman more into the game.John came with a good reputation from former players but if was that good would still be in Oz.Southern had a good reputation but also had in the past had injury problems throughout his time playing the game.Lets face it we have had some imports come with great reputations in the past who have been rubbish only time will tell with Southern and John but I wont hold my breath on it.

Ok well we sure have discovered he can't cover as prop. I'm sure he's had a few games in the second row, I may be wrong. I hope he fights to get back in the squad but the competition for those second row positions is very hot. Washbrook and Aiton will take some shifting from loose if Ellis is to be kept at 9.

Southern`s best days were at the Cowboys however he had a knee reconatruction and couldn`t get back in their starting 17, he ended his time there playing for their feeder side Northern Pride (JD`s next coaching job). He joined Newcastle Knights but injuries again restricted his appearances and he dropped down to play Toyota Cup, then we gave him a 3 year deal which he jumped at, just hope in his next 2 years he gets back to something like his best form but I`m sceptical that he can. With a bit of luck he`ll get homesick and we`ll agree to release him, leaving room for a good solid prop. Having watched a fair few NRL games there seems to be an abundance of good younger props down under, someone like Taumololo who has played a few games for the Cowboys, big strong and pacy (for a prop), who wouldn`t break the bank.

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I hope he can break a tackle because Southern can't.

Deary deary me



Give the guy a break.