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| Quote ="yorkshireone"im blind lol'"
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Not suggesting Russ plays every week but he has run out a couple of times in first grade.
We need to look but i doubt anyones available, i'm sure they have been keeping one eye on this, its a sure fire thing it would happen at some point.'"
I'm led to believe there are irons in the fire but as always it comes down to finance. Its times like this that, now that club 1873 is up and running for the juniors, squadbulider would have been a very handy resource to have to top up an offer for a first team signing.
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| How much do you think you'll miss Amor - I've not really seen much of him TBH? I've only seen him play 2 or 3 times and he's always looked enterprising and enthusiastic and with the 'recall' option he has in his contract with Leeds I'm interested in what you guys really think of him.
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| More of a reason to get Watts signed up ASAP.
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| Liam Watts from Hull KR, heard this one a couple of weeks ago. Hope its true, hes a bit of a loose cannon but also an excellent young prop forward
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"How much do you think you'll miss Amor - I've not really seen much of him TBH? I've only seen him play 2 or 3 times and he's always looked enterprising and enthusiastic and with the 'recall' option he has in his contract with Leeds I'm interested in what you guys really think of him.'"
You don't want him back. He's idle, has a poor work ethic and shows no enthusiasm.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Trout is more of a backrower for me and Spiers isn't quite ready yet for week in week out rugby at the top level. Looks like a spell at prop for Southern but think we need to take a look at the loan market sharpish.'"
According to RLE Trout sustained a shoulder injury before the Widnes game.
I don't know how he would figure in the front row???????
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| To be honest all this talk of amor going back to Leeds is utter tosh. Kyle knows that his long term future belongs at Wakefield. If Leeds were to recall him they would soon broom him as soon as they got any players back. And if Kyles form was so good that Leeds wanted him back to replace forwards who had a dip in form I am 100% confident that Kyle would refuse. Leeds signing two props pre season speaks volumes to me and I am sure it's the same for Kyle and his agent that he's not in their plans.
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| Quote ="supercat"To be honest all this talk of amor going back to Leeds is utter tosh. Kyle knows that his long term future belongs at Wakefield. If Leeds were to recall him they would soon broom him as soon as they got any players back. And if Kyles form was so good that Leeds wanted him back to replace forwards who had a dip in form I am 100% confident that Kyle would refuse. Leeds signing two props pre season speaks volumes to me and I am sure it's the same for Kyle and his agent that he's not in their plans.'"
well why has he got a three year contract that Leeds can take over at the end of year 1 then?
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| Quote ="supercat"To be honest all this talk of amor going back to Leeds is utter tosh. Kyle knows that his long term future belongs at Wakefield. If Leeds were to recall him they would soon broom him as soon as they got any players back. And if Kyles form was so good that Leeds wanted him back to replace forwards who had a dip in form I am 100% confident that Kyle would refuse. Leeds signing two props pre season speaks volumes to me and I am sure it's the same for Kyle and his agent that he's not in their plans.'"
Why so confident? Leeds have the option to take Kyle back next year or the year after. Look at the age of our forwards and you'll see that despite having signed Griffin and Moore, we'll be looking for pack replacements in the very near future.
Do you honestly think that a relatively young and rapidly improving player like Amor would want to stay at a club with little chance of title success in the near future, if given the choice to go back to a team that's won 5 GF's in the last 8 years?
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| Quote ="ry21"Massive loss for us. Vastman you might wanna put a tin hat on for all the 'i told you so' i can see coming your way. Personally i agreed with you but if this is true we certainly look short now.'"
Why did I break his hand! What injuries don't happen in RL - "I told you so" how childish and pathetic do you sound.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"[size=200Not suggesting Russ plays every week but he has run out a couple of times in first grade.
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We need to look but i doubt anyones available, i'm sure they have been keeping one eye on this, its a sure fire thing it would happen at some point.'"
Why do some people not get that, we are not talking a full season just the odd couple of games if needed.
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| Quote ="Chief Stinkwort"Why so confident? Leeds have the option to take Kyle back next year or the year after. Look at the age of our forwards and you'll see that despite having signed Griffin and Moore, we'll be looking for pack replacements in the very near future.
Do you honestly think that a relatively young and rapidly improving player like Amor would want to stay at a club with little chance of title success in the near future, if given the choice to go back to a team that's won 5 GF's in the last 8 years?'"
The fact that you had the chance to give him a shot at first team rugby and haven't says a lot. His form back end last year was better than Richard Moore's and didn't will probably stick in Kyle's mind. He's already spend numerous deluded years at headingley and i am sure he's ready to commit to us and not you. Think you need to see beyond this big club mentality and see that you can't keep all the good players and expect to pick and choose who you want. Who's to say we are not offering a better deal long term at the end of the loan period.
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| leeds have an option to take him back until june/july this year when his contract is up..and that is only if he wants to sign for leeds
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| Quote ="supercat"The fact that you had the chance to give him a shot at first team rugby and haven't says a lot. His form back end last year was better than Richard Moore's and didn't will probably stick in Kyle's mind. He's already spend numerous deluded years at headingley and i am sure he's ready to commit to us and not you. Think you need to see beyond this big club mentality and see that you can't keep all the good players and expect to pick and choose who you want. Who's to say we are not offering a better deal long term at the end of the loan period.'"
I thought the deal was that he has a three-year contract with Leeds that reverts to Wakefield for years 2/3 *only* if Leeds don't take up their option. Whatever deal Wakefield offer at the end of the loan doesn't come into it because the contract for 2013/4 is already signed and Leeds have the right to choose which club he'll play for.
May be wrong on this, but think that's the situation.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"I thought the deal was that he has a three-year contract with Leeds that reverts to Wakefield for years 2/3 *only* if Leeds don't take up their option. Whatever deal Wakefield offer at the end of the loan doesn't come into it because the contract for 2013/4 is already signed and Leeds have the right to choose which club he'll play for.
May be wrong on this, but think that's the situation.'"
That's not how I read it, but it is a little confusing.
My understanding is that Kyle has signed a 3 year deal with Wakefield, however as he is currently under contract to Leeds they have an option to offer him an extension to his contract with them but only if they do it before July. My understanding is that it would then be up to Kyle to decide if he wanted to take up that option. Leeds cannot force him back to Headingley unless I am misunderstanding the whole situation.
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| Quote ="Fordy"Quote ="craigizzard"I thought the deal was that he has a three-year contract with Leeds that reverts to Wakefield for years 2/3 *only* if Leeds don't take up their option. Whatever deal Wakefield offer at the end of the loan doesn't come into it because the contract for 2013/4 is already signed and Leeds have the right to choose which club he'll play for.
May be wrong on this, but think that's the situation.'"
That's not how I read it, but it is a little confusing.
My understanding is that Kyle has signed a 3 year deal with Wakefield, however as he is currently under contract to Leeds they have an option to offer him an extension to his contract with them but only if they do it before July. My understanding is that it would then be up to Kyle to decide if he wanted to take up that option. Leeds cannot force him back to Headingley unless I am misunderstanding the whole situation.'"
Thats how I understood the deal.
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| Quote ="vastman"Why did I break his hand! What injuries don't happen in RL - "I told you so" how childish and pathetic do you sound.'"
You sir are the pathetic one, with a complete over reaction to what was a very tongue in cheek comment!
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Thats how I understood the deal.'"
Me too.
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| Quote ="ry21"You sir are the pathetic one, with a complete over reaction to what was a very tongue in cheek comment!'"
I just read it again, well in fact I actually read it properly - fair enough I apologies unreservedly.
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| Quote ="supercat"The fact that you had the chance to give him a shot at first team rugby and haven't says a lot. His form back end last year was better than Richard Moore's and didn't will probably stick in Kyle's mind. He's already spend numerous deluded years at headingley and i am sure he's ready to commit to us and not you. Think you need to see beyond this big club mentality and see that you can't keep all the good players and expect to pick and choose who you want. Who's to say we are not offering a better deal long term at the end of the loan period.'"
The bottom line is Leeds retain the option to resign him after one year of his contract.
Props tend to mature with age. Do you think Hetherington et al don't know this? Griffin and Moore have loads of experience but Amor is learning all the time. Leeds are prepared to let him develop that experience at a different club, but the clause is there very specifically to allow them to re-sign him if his improvement continues. If his form slides they will let him see out his contract at Wakefield. You can call it tough or cynical if you like but the Leeds board are smart enough to have left themselves in a 'win-win' situation with this.
As for Amor, he wouldn't be the first to be farmed out by Leeds during his developmental years in Superleague..only to return to the club as a much more complete player... nor will he be the last.
Not sure where you get 'numerous deluded years from'. I make it one and a bit years before he went out on loan.
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| Quote ="vastman"fair enough I apologies unreservedly.
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