I never said Wakey were a bigger club, I said that you seem to believe your club is "bigger" than it's record says it is.

We have under achieved massively for years and with the ground, support, shirts sold, profit made etc should be doing a lot better than we have but some of thats been down to the board and the coaches they have employed who have not been able to handle running a club of our size. Agar going to a smaller club (which you are however much you argue you are not) could be the making of him. On the other hand he may just be as crap as he at been with us.

No-one said Wakey were a big club.

They pointed out your delusion at thinking you are a big club.

Wigan and Leeds are big clubs. Hull are not.

Please don't.

Don't worry too much - we all have our divots.

Let's not selectively pick a convenient snapshot in time when assessing what constitutes a big club!

Historically Wakefield Trinity is as big if not bigger and more famous than Hull FC.

Back on topic...........

Very true and I agree with the other Wakefield posters who say Hull are the biggest underachievers in SL.

But at this convenient snapshot in time, surely the most die hard Wildcats fan would admit the weight of expectation you will place on your next coach will not be as heavy as what Hull FC's current coach has had to endure from us lot.

That's why I believe Agar will thrive in a slightly less pressurised environment and why he could be good for you if appointed.

I see where you're coming from and if everyone was being objective I would agree with you. The board's aim is mid-table next year so they are not going to put the same pressure on as Agar's replacement will have. The trouble is
a) fan's are not that objective and often want more than can be realistically achieved
b) all other teams who have not performed well this year will be aiming for the same. Not everyone will succeed so to really get mid-table we will have to do a LOT better than this year
c) if there is not that amount of improvement then the "establishment" in RL will see us over-promising and under-delivering again, which will harden their attitude rather than changing it.
That means the pressure is really on.

Often when someone takes on a top job for the first time they fail to a greater or lesser extent and the good ones learn a lot from it, making a success of their second jobs. We wait to see if that learing has taken place or whether they follow the rule of "promotion to their level of incompetence".

Good post. Interesting point you make about the governing body. I hope you make the 8 next year, think you will if you get more good signings in. If Agar does end up being your coach I'd imagine he would bring Obst and a few others with him.

Agar got promoted to Headcoach and cleared out a lot of deadwood players, this was a difficult task for any club...He then built a decent squad, and brought about some good ethics, he was not shy getting rid of deadwood like Tansey.
He has brought some good young players through, Briscoe & Houghton being the 2 that stand out the most.
Agar is a good coach for Wakey imo, he will build a squad, bring good ethics and most importantly he will have learnt a lot of lessons form his time as Headcoach at FC.

His results have been short this year but the brand of rugby we have started to play is very entertaining.

I wish Agar and yourselves the best of luck, I sincerely believe he will improve things for you.

Excellent post and if he is the coach I hope your right I will be backing him 100%

I'm almost starting to feel positive about next season again.......

You are Paul McKenna and I claim my £5.

Look into the eyes, not around the eyes, into the eyes...

we are all fans .no point arguing .agar connot motivate players .if we had apoor first half.we rarely played better in the2nd half .

I've previously stated elsewhere he will have my backing but it is refreshing to see the more intelligent Hull FC fans coming on here saying positive things about him.

I personally don't think he has been a total disaster for Hull and it does sound like he knows how to sort his staff out.

Let's put it this way Hull are higher up the league than us and play better rugby. Let's take it from there....

Which goes back to the point about coaching having a shelf life; you can only deliver your motivational speech so many times to one group of people, before it becomes so much background noise.

lets give him a chance please...we have had too many years of negativity around the place...any coach who can get a team playing like hull did last weekend is ok for me..he isn't responsible for key player injuries is he?

Might be down to timing.
JK was a god first 3 possibly 4 seasons, so it will be interesting to see how long RA contract will be.

Agar will go well for you. He has had to do his job at Hull with one hand tied behind his back due to the pevious board. I'm glad he's left Hull, but mainly because he was on a hiding-to-nothing and things had become untenable for him. Had he started his career at Hull under a different board then maybe things would have worked out slightly different. I genuinely hope he succeeds with you.

For what it's worth here is my view on the RA situation.
If as is being touted RA is our next coach, then although having an initial feeling of being underwhelmed by the appointment, it is not a reason to become totally disillusioned as some seem to be by his appointment.
Let's look at it in another light. RA in a lot of ways has been the old Hull boards patsy for their own importance these past few years. Kath Hetherington and the board would have been pulling the strings and hiring and firing, it was plain for all to see. I would even think the Hull contingent that frequent this board would agree.
So with the arrival of Adam Pearson came the end of RA's career at Hull. I was a guest in the hostility

at the Hull/Leeds Challenge Cup game and having just that day taken control of Hull FC Adam Pearson made his opening speech and at the end of the game and the look on his face you knew that RA's time was at an end.
Quite funny since that day and with the release of the controlling pressure of the old board and the axe from AP that Hull have become one of the better teams in the comp and are looking a tight fluent unit.
Funny how things change isn't it.
Also if as stated RA is good mates with JE well what's the problem.It's a positive, this friendship can only be a good thing in communication's between CE and Coach. Trust!
So maybe he will follow in his fathers footsteps and become coach at Wakey, I for one will look to the future and not his past!

just seen agar down at the ground.i expect it to be announced tomorrow.

Its been a 'very very productive evening at work' according to Elstons missus on twitter.

you can tell what the world thinks, over 100 guests usually means a disaster for us!

gutted, backward step.

and cant be bothered firing barby.

Let's just get behind him. I've got a feeling he's got a lot to prove now unlike some candidates, Hull seem to be gaining momentum on the field and as a club we are moving forward too. From the off Hull fans were determined he'd never succeed, I think that filtered down to the staff and I don't want that to happen here.

"Show us the way Rich!"

...unless Poching takes over.

I should start following those two really to find out the latest news from the club. (Great to see the spelling errors on an official club tweet yesterday. Sort it out 'Details Man' will you.)