Jesus Christ the bull that's coming out of some people tonight - "Hyde won't be SL player of the future", you weren't bloody saying that after cas away! vievers has joined us from wigan academy as has howarth - they ain't exactly going to light the world on fire but they are improving. a month or so ago we were fully supporting these lads and now because we're out of the cup we're slamming them with these comment ! talk about giving the team a morale boost!

Only opinions fella. We all have them. We can all speculate as to who will make it or not. The same question marks were over some players before, during and after that Cas game. Hyde apart from the Cas game has been inconsistant (and i saw him in the reserves against quins too). Veivers is similar to Blaymire in he lacks pace. Morton, G Johnson and Griffin all need loads of work doing in so many areas. I really hope these guys make it and improve. Does not mean we will not back them and hope they do the work necessary.

i judge this years team on progression, not on wins alone,

beaten by cas at cardiff, since then returned the favour and then gone to extra time in the cup, only beaten by Wigan 0-26 at home,(look at last years result), yes we need something, but Kieran Hyde is trying to create that and sometimes has, i would like to bet my all time hero toppo wasn't 110% all of the time even he may have slipped to 98% but he was not scrutinised this much.

No regarding Hyde, actually some of us were. The lad isn't good enough to be a top level half. Sorry but the proof us in the pudding. This teams effort is as good as anything i've watched at BV. Sadly they're ability it as low as anything i've seen whilst playing in the top division. We will be in the championship next year and most of our team will find their level.

Still think we are signing James Maloney by the way?

Agreed. Effort is not the issue. But the lack of good decision making all over, last tackle options and lack of real cutting edge in attack is. As you say is some are more like NL players but are playing and giving absolute effort worty of SL standard.

The fact is. that most of our team are trying to learn their game and get experience, in Super League. We all know that most of them, that came here, are not the finished article but have shown, that they are learning and getting better. I think from where we were a few months ago, to where the team is now, is very encouraging but we as fans, always want our team to win and tend to lose a little perspective, especially after the wins we've had, of where this team is as far as talent..

Kieron Hyde was against Rangi Chase today; currently the best player in Super League if you believe the hype (personally I do and think Cas are a one man band for it). The score at 80 minutes was 18-18. I think Kieron did alright.

Get off his back and let him develop!!!!!

me too...
He was trying his knackers off too, Tackling as well...

at last someone understands!

I've thought for a while that Hyde isn't up to the standard that others believe he is. I wasn't at Castleford so I'm not in a postion to comment, but I certainly don't think he is the playmaker we are crying out for, and whether he will develop into that I'm not sure. I did feel that our recruitment at the start of the season was geared towards building a side that would compete in the Championship next season, and feel that players like Hyde, Vievers, Griffin and Howarth will all stand out in a lower division. If we are to stay up, and Glover brings in the players that have been suggested, players of this calibre will see their game time reduced drastically.

Also, wasn't Hyde signed as full back?

Another one in the know apparently then

you know that for sure do you? in an interview on the radio he stated that Kear phoned him with the news that after an approach from the Bulls the Wakey board had given him permission to talk to Bradford if he wanted to and the choice was his to make whether to stay or not despite being under contract, but if the facts don't fit in with your theory simply make them up as you go along. As for him wanting to play for us they all do, only time will tell if he's good enough, Nothing to go figure really.

Howarth is clearly super league standard, the others all have competed well in the games they've played but still need a bit more time and nurturing. Don't think anyones let us down this season and it will be interesting to see how the careers of our squad pan out over the coming years.

I spoke to Kieran after the game and he was gutted about the loss.

Any more threads bashing players?
Its getting VERY embarrassing now!

After sleeping on it I would like to say that Hyde wasn't great in attack but he tackled his balls off and i would like to make a point the with him and Lee we have the two best tackling half backs in the league.

i can tell you for certain that what you have just posted is correct. bj was happy at wakey and would have stayed. bradford did things the right way, wakefield did things the right way and so did bj and parted company on very good terms. if you would have asked him yesterday at belle vue , he would have told you that. great bloke hope he does well at bradford

i'd agree with most of that mate but i would add, against chase and the game finishing the way it did with the scores so tight. the lad didn't do such a bad job and will only get better.. imo a couple of seasons he will be one of the best in the country.

Without wishing to criticise Hyde I think that statement is rather OTT.

People got carried away in their praise of him after the first Cas match and now some people are going over the top in their criticism of him after yesterday. Irrespective of whether he will become a very good player I think the problem with him being our first choice stand off is we also don't have proper scrum half to pair him with. We are thus left with a half back pairing who are unable to effectively move us around the park. That said, our running off the ball and attacking lines often give them absolutely nothing to work with and this makes their job much harder anyway.

There is no way Hyde will ever be one of the best stand offs in the country. He may improve yes but he ain't ever going to be that good. I think he'd be better moving back to fullback and playing a kind of Luke Dorn role.

get behind hyde and support him in which position he wants play in - full back or stand off

same goes for any other player

Agreed, get behind the team.

Including Jeremy Smith? (Who incidentally was in the new Sainsbury’s last night with Hendo waiting for a pizza to be made up from the deli)

if he wants to play for the club and not just a pay check then yes