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| Doesn't make good reading at all. I'm afraid the only way you get into a hole that size is sheer bad management.
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| you have to wonder whether we paid any bills and what happened to the revenue coming in ot the club, through the gate,sponsorship, shop, bars and facilities etc etc
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| Quote ="Ossett Cat"you have to wonder whether we paid any bills and what happened to the revenue coming in ot the club, through the gate,sponsorship, shop, bars and facilities etc etc'"
I seem to remember we had no profit from bars or food
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"So do we still owe 750k to HMRC or has this been paid?
At the initial fans evening AG said he would "bring an end to that sort of a business model"; so has he paid it off? A plan put in place? This document didn't clear up many of my initial thoughts.
Nobody can deny there has been a change at BV, anyone who has been down recently can feel it in the air, but for me there are still a few areas that seem hush hush. The stadium; for next year and beyond, investment and past debts/ bad experiences leave me [uunsold on AG as yet.[/u
Nobody can deny he has the potential spending power and I hope will ultimately will make a strong SL team out of us. I'm just not sure of the length of game he's playing.'"
I am astonished by that part of your post.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"...what exactly has that 30k bought. A club with little chance of a SL license?'"
It's bought a year's worth of SKY money which, if you spend wisely, can net you a profit at the end of the season.
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| I knew one of the sponsors a couple of years back not big but they didn't look after what they was sold to them and he took them to court or threaten action for for breach of contract.
he knew I was a loyal supporter as he was but said he wasn't happy with what was happening at the club.
now we have to look to AG to put this right, if management skills and the trust in the staff at Wakefield to put rugby on the table comes good the future will look bright but the reading doesn't look from the past
onwards and forwards
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| Quote ="chapster"frankly its staggering, and we are fools if we believe what is in there bodes well for the future, the company was sold for only 30k????? trust me that does not say its a going concern.'"
We were bought for 30,000 times more than Abramovic paid for Chelsea.
Not bad.
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| Wonder if the 366.48 we owe them had to do with the negative press in the Wakey Express!
Quote ="djcool"I seem to remember we had no profit from bars or food'"
That seems to have been a shocker of a deal. Did we get some kind of rental payment from whoever the caterers were?
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Wonder if the 366.48 we owe them had to do with the negative press in the Wakey Express!
That seems to have been a shocker of a deal. Did we get some kind of rental payment from whoever the caterers were?'"
The caterers were one of the directors, Ray Barnes..
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"The caterers were one of the directors, Ray Barnes..'"
Thanks for putting the 2 and 2 together I was trying to! Nice deal.
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| I think some of the posters on here are being a touch naive to say the least. Certainly this almost child like belief that Andrew Glover is the messiah. Let's get something straight, when one business offers another a line of credit it is a risk they take in the full knowledge they may never recover the debt - that folks is business. Although it's sad that people lose out but that's how it goes, it's not exclusive to Wakefield. The fact that we were bought for 35k and the fact that the club IMO owed so little to it's creditors other than HMC suggests the club is a going concern and not the decaying evil empire portrayed on here.
What's done is done, let's just move on and keep an eye on the new lot.
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| Quote ="Pilchard"I am astonished by that part of your post.'"
Why, I'm amazed people are so easily pleased.
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| looks like Ted got a good little pension payment from Sir Rodney Walker !! plus one last good supper for Diane £596.10 worth of Subway sandwiches !! Eat Fresh !!
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| Be careful rhino vasty will be after you, how dare you slate ted and his family? They are the best thing to happen to wakey and are as honest as the day is long
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| Quote ="vastman"I think some of the posters on here are being a touch naive to say the least. Certainly this almost child like belief that Andrew Glover is the messiah. Let's get something straight, when one business offers another a line of credit it is a risk they take in the full knowledge they may never recover the debt - that folks is business. Although it's sad that people lose out but that's how it goes, it's not exclusive to Wakefield. The fact that we were bought for 35k and the fact that the club IMO owed so little to it's creditors other than HMC suggests the club is a going concern and not the decaying evil empire portrayed on here.
What's done is done, let's just move on and keep an eye on the new lot.'"
As always Dr Vastman is here, and whatever he says is gospel. I dont know how you can say its hard luck, when if you take out HMRC & redundancy , its still around half a million, so how is that a little owed to its creditors, including to 2 large bills to clothing companies for over £50k, which I am sure is not a week or two's worth of kits.
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| Quote ="vastman"I think some of the posters on here are being a touch naive to say the least. Certainly this almost child like belief that Andrew Glover is the messiah. Let's get something straight, when one business offers another a line of credit it is a risk they take in the full knowledge they may never recover the debt - that folks is business. Although it's sad that people lose out but that's how it goes, it's not exclusive to Wakefield. The fact that we were bought for 35k and the fact that the club IMO owed so little to it's creditors other than HMC suggests the club is a going concern and not the decaying evil empire portrayed on here.
What's done is done, let's just move on and keep an eye on the new lot.'"
Also Mr lets allow businesses to fail without paying debts, how about the over £40k that the solicitors are trying to re-coup from salaries that potentially should not be paid, rather than potentially been taken out of an illiquid company when it should not have been thats further funds that should by law (if is the case)be paid to suppliers!
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| Quote ="vastman"I think some of the posters on here are being a touch naive to say the least. Certainly this almost child like belief that Andrew Glover is the messiah. Let's get something straight, when one business offers another a line of credit it is a risk they take in the full knowledge they may never recover the debt - that folks is business. Although it's sad that people lose out but that's how it goes, it's not exclusive to Wakefield. The fact that we were bought for 35k and the fact that the club IMO owed so little to it's creditors other than HMC suggests the club is a going concern and not the decaying evil empire portrayed on here.
What's done is done, let's just move on and keep an eye on the new lot.'"
more or less totally agree vm, my post was based on a quick glance but to be fair theres a lot of things in that report that should worry anyone who loves wtrlfc.
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| From what I can make out , it looks like the deal with Parkin was for £50k , before he dropped out and AG bought it for £30k.
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| Quote ="chapster"more or less totally agree vm, my post was based on a quick glance but to be fair theres a lot of things in that report that should worry anyone who loves wtrlfc.'"
Such as?
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| do not know how we had the heart to owe such as Crofton Community Centre £7400 and John Holroyd over £6000 !
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| dont feel guilty....ted obviously didnt !
I actually knew Ted and whilst being a generally nice bloke, he was the new age Robin Hood....take from the rich and keep it himself ! He was also reported to be taking a big chunk in salary which is very rare at any other club as Chairman are basically a kind of figurehead rather than a obsenely well paid member of staff.
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| Quote ="vastman"I think some of the posters on here are being a touch naive to say the least. Certainly this almost child like belief that Andrew Glover is the messiah. Let's get something straight, when one business offers another a line of credit it is a risk they take in the full knowledge they may never recover the debt - that folks is business. Although it's sad that people lose out but that's how it goes, it's not exclusive to Wakefield. The fact that we were bought for 35k and the fact that the club IMO owed so little to it's creditors other than HMC suggests the club is a going concern and not the decaying evil empire portrayed on here.
What's done is done, let's just move on and keep an eye on the new lot.'"
There was enough in the business at the time of purchase (SKY money for the season, plus gate receipts, merchandise etc.) to make the investment worthwhile in the short term, providing you budget accordingly. I don't think anyone could claim we've "flashed the cash" since being taken out of administration, so this would back up the argument.
The stuff about lines of credit, though, is nonesense in relation to the total debt. Most of the debts will be for one-off payments, as far as I can see. Yes, you could get a line of credit with your sarnie bill at Subway, but you won't get one with BT.
I was pleased to hear that AG planned to honour certain historical debts, even though he wasn't obliged to do so. I think that speaks well of him, builds bridges with the local community and people who may have lost out in their "lines of credit" under Richardson.
Of course it's too early to judge the man and his achievements, but he should be credited for seeing the little things he can changed quickly and acting on that. The "big picture" is one that no one has thus far been able to deliver. I think he deserves support, though, don't you?
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| Quote ="quinny"dont feel guilty....ted obviously didnt !
I actually knew Ted and whilst being a generally nice bloke, he was the new age Robin Hood....take from the rich and keep it himself ! He was also reported to be taking a big chunk in salary which is very rare at any other club as Chairman are basically a kind of figurehead rather than a obsenely well paid member of staff.'"
Reported where?
Post the facts, or stop spreading malicious gossip.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Reported where?
Post the facts, or stop spreading malicious gossip.'"
well to be fair, if you look at the redundacy payments, the outstanding salary payment of non retained employees and know what you are talking about..........
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"There was enough in the business at the time of purchase (SKY money for the season, plus gate receipts, merchandise etc.) to make the investment worthwhile in the short term, providing you budget accordingly. I don't think anyone could claim we've "flashed the cash" since being taken out of administration, so this would back up the argument.
The stuff about lines of credit, though, is nonesense in relation to the total debt. Most of the debts will be for one-off payments, as far as I can see. Yes, you could get a line of credit with your sarnie bill at Subway, but you won't get one with BT.
I was pleased to hear that AG planned to honour certain historical debts, even though he wasn't obliged to do so. I think that speaks well of him, builds bridges with the local community and people who may have lost out in their "lines of credit" under Richardson.
Of course it's too early to judge the man and his achievements, but he should be credited for seeing the little things he can changed quickly and acting on that. The "big picture" is one that no one has thus far been able to deliver. I think he deserves support, though, don't you?'" I think we need to realise that had AG not come forward we would not now exist at all. That alone is good enough for me. However as fans we have to not be complacent, group together under the banner of the Supporters Trust and help safeguard the past present and future of our club
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