Yes but some players fitness seems to be affected from having to do more work than others because of the bench that Kear picks and the length of time some players spend on the field compared to others.

Yes pal...from my very brief research from reports we have had the following on the bench in recent times:

Blaymire
Blanch
Millard
Veivers
Petersen

With more than these appearing twice....JK, rightly or wrongly believes that is method behind this.

True and if you had 3 forwards on the bench you should have been fine, the injury didn't help you granted but Kear should be experienced enough to know when to interchange players.

I don't think we are as fit as we could be, that said it did not bother us at Hull, in fact they got stronger during the game, maybe its catching up with them.

Grix is a utility, he played wing, fb, 6 and loose for Trinity.

Are you suggesting the timing of the subs is at fault?

Are you suggesting the timing of the subs is at fault?

It would be interesting to see if he did it while he was at Hull and throughout the rest of his coaching career.

Please define this level of fitness observation please.....are you saying we are poorly conditioned?

I do think there is something in that, we do seem to have a knack of rotating after 35 mins in first half, surely this is lregel pointless and secondly makes players more prone to pulled muscles as they effectivly start cold twice in 5 mins game time!

Al I am questioning it, yes. Take the Leeds match last week.

Neither Wildie or Veivers were used in the first 60 mins that meant that Rinaldi had to do too much work in one go so nullified the latter part of his time on the field and meant he could not be there to be effective late in the game.

Amor hardly spent any time on the field at all and I am pretty sure was subbed 5 mins after half time having just had a 15 minute rest!!!

Morrison and Mariano both played 80 mins, cos Hendo was having to be spelled with the props. We should have two props on the bench, one backrower and a hooker.

to be fair i think its more to do with youth, players returning from injury, and players not used to playing at this level regularly.

coupled with tackle counts in first halves that are usually massively against us.

but we all knew this would happen, dont really see the point moaning about it!

Can not agree more Tricky

We have a relative team of nobodies who try so so hard for as long as possible and when they hit the 'wall', thats when other teams blow us away. It is a link between skill level and workload that then eventually contribute to fitness...the human body can only go a certain amount of time without feeling shafted...as it happens I think we are well conditioned.

Yes we did and its happening, we'll have to live with it and improve when we can.

It wasnt a question directed at you pal...but to the FlyingProp.

merely making an observations, and sort of agreeing with you!

bench, tiring, selection, tactics, all pointless discussions.

we have the players we have, and with 1 or two exceptions they are not SL standard, but they are ours and we still have a club.

Not having a dig, all I am saying is against Leeds last week and us this week you were well in the game till the latter stages, if it ain't fitness it must be Kear not knowing how to use his subs? Some of em looked out on their feet though TBH

i don't think that you have got it right at all.all this complicated over analysing you seem to do and your constant moaning about jk selection and bench use. its a simple game mate. last week and this week, had no problem getting to the line but failed to turn pressure to points. we are just short of a bit of flair and a bit of nounce. last week when the kick didn't reach touch the game turned. this week beginning of second half, dropped the ball , conceded a penalty, the game turned. i know we all like to look for scape goats but i think you are looking in the wrong place. we have got what we have got this year and we are doing ok and will get better. t.w.a.s

The problem is our pack is light both weeks they played above their weifgt for 60 minutes but the extra size and weight just grinds us down Huddersfield have some big lumps in that pack Mason, Griffin, Raleigh, put those 3 in our pack and we are in business

Your right about it being a simple game. The simple part being that if you don't match up in the forwards you don't win. As we already have a smaller set of forwards than most to have a full back on the bench is a luxury we can't afford. Maybe the reason these mistakes tend to occur more in the 2nd half is because players are starting to fatigue from not being spelled properly and there not being the right people on the bench to interchange them with.

FWIW, I don't see anything complicated about what I have said in the past, detailed yes, over complicated IMO, No.

PS - my constant moaning about kears selection and bench use, is because I think the team would produce even better results if this area was addressed and it is frustrating to think of what may have been in some of these games.

It does not seem to make any sense but Hudds also made a change with 4 minutes left in the first half. I have also noticed a number of teams in the TV games making changes 5 or so minutes from half time don't understand it myself but they must have a reason for doing it.

The only logic I can get out if it after thinking about it for a while would be taking a second rower off, pushing Dean in to the pack, murph to centre and veivers to full back.

Far too much messing about for just one interchange and completely unnecessary. I would suggest the back line needs a little consistency to aid the defensive structure.

It seems both the last two weeks have seen a reasonable first half defensive effort succeeded by a half of letting in 28 or so points. When did the Murphy injury occur?

At some point in the first half as he never came back out for the second half.