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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"The RFL have set the benchmark with their assistance of the Crusaders and Harlequins in the past using this model they cannot get rid of our club just because we have gone into adminstration. The RFL will know if they get rid of us they will show their true colours of double standards reguarding certain SL clubs, they cannott have one rule for one and another rule for Wakefield. i would imagine the new owners will fight tooth and nail to keep us in SL and stop any injustice. If we move to Newmarket in 2013 and have Barnsley as a stop gap in 2012, whats the difference between that and Crusaders moving from Bridgend to Wrexham??? Since we won the grand final in 1998 we have had to fight to stay in SL, whats the difference now? NO SURRENDER!!!
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Did he say going into administration would be the be all and end all? No, he didn't. Let's put our own house in order before spouting crap about conspiracy theories.
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| Quote ="trinfan71"[uAt the end of the day money talks,[/u if whoever takes over can satisfy the RFL they can bank roll the club comfortably. Criteria or not that will have an unofficial say in the license awards. As it has already been stated there are not many money men in RL and one more is only going to be better for the governing body.'"
Agreed, if our inverstor/s can generate a large sum then the RFL will find it very difficult.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Did he say going into administration would be the be all and end all? No, he didn't. Let's put our own house in order before spouting crap about conspiracy theories.'"
Agree. At this moment we are challenging these issues from a weak perspective. The club needs to start putting things right so that we can challenge them from a strong perspective.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Did he say going into administration would be the be all and end all? No, he didn't. Let's put our own house in order before spouting crap about conspiracy theories.'"
He did say adminstartion would weaken our position and the other posters on here have taken that as we have no chance of a new franchise, well that is wrong, not a conspiracy theory just a fact. Like I said they cant have one rule for one and one for another so I hope they do that to the letter...
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| i can remember a few years ago last game of season we beat cas n stayed up stood on donny rd end of ground n my son said to me b4 kick off we r goin down dad arnt we i looked him in the eyes n told him to think posative and the team will win. so all u ppl on here who think we are not gettin a licence for next 3 years y dont u think posative n get bhind our players, our new bod (when the deal is done) n cheer this grate club bk where we belong in the big time
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| Quote ="HouriganTiger"nail on the head.....what sort of a business plan is that, someone to bankroll the club....surely the idea is the new BOD put a business plan together that demonstrates WTW can become a financially sound business, if the BP shows it takes 3 or 4 years (including it hinging on a new stadium to hopefullly attract new fans) until WTW are a financially sound business then what merrit can they award the licence....
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no mate you are ok...
its not just that statement!
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"Like I said they cant have one rule for one and one for another so I hope they do that to the letter...
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And they haven't shown otherwise. The bids of Crusaders and Harlequins have advantages none of the other clubs have, but we have advantages, in terms of community work, other clubs won't have. No point hanging everything on one issue like some are, using it as another stick to beat the RFL with.
Let me ask then, to those who say the RFL, SL and the whole process is 'bent' and 'corrupt' and other such words, why do you want to be in Super League if it is that way?
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"And they haven't shown otherwise. The bids of Crusaders and Harlequins have advantages none of the other clubs have, but we have advantages, in terms of community work, other clubs won't have. No point hanging everything on one issue like some are, using it as another stick to beat the RFL with.
Let me ask then, to those who say the RFL, SL and the whole process is 'bent' and 'corrupt' and other such words, why do you want to be in Super League if it is that way?'"
I don't know about bent and corrupt, but I don't like some of how they do their business. To answer the question, you want to stay in SL to watch the best players, to watch the highest standard of RL in our country , as well as the banter and rivalry between fans. Any fan, of any sports team, wants their side to play at the highest level, it's what team sport is about. Yyou can love RL, without loving the guys who run it.
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| If anyone thinks we are going to get another franchise I'm afraid they are absolutely deluded!
At minimum, one is coming up and at least one is going down. What kind of scenario can you envisage for us to be kept in and someone else to be kicked out? I can't think of any possible way that the RFL could justify kicking a team out that hasn't been in administration and letting a team that's has been stay in. It couldn't be justified and probably leave the RFL open to legal action against themselves from who was kicked out.
The damage has already been done at the club and the damage is irreparable!
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"And they haven't shown otherwise. The bids of Crusaders and Harlequins have advantages none of the other clubs have, but we have advantages, in terms of community work, other clubs won't have. No point hanging everything on one issue like some are, using it as another stick to beat the RFL with.
Let me ask then, to those who say the RFL, SL and the whole process is 'bent' and 'corrupt' and other such words, why do you want to be in Super League if it is that way?'"
Like shifty said you want to see your team at the top level
at times i find SL dull, over hyped by the likes of eddie and stevo, ultimately deflating when we see our "superstars" stuffed by the southern hemisphere lot and as bent as it comes. Added to that i have really enjoyed watching the NL games, less hype, more individual, a bit more old fashioned in value if you like.
Would i prefer us to be in SL? probably, how do i rationalise that? i cant sorry.
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| I will support Wakey whatever league they end up in and if the club dies then my love for RL will die with it. I have played and supported this great game since I first went with my Father and Grandfather in 1968 Wakefield are an integral part of my life and now I can no longer play are my only link to rugby league.
All Super League as done is cause animosity between supporters and and uncertainty in the game. The truth is it is Rugby League not now and for what it is worth never will be a national game in my humble opinion. If expansion is what they want then surely Cumbria is the first point of call.I would rather go watch Wakey play Cas,Hudds,Leeds,Bradford and the rest than go to London or France, by all means create a French league and fill it with French players, but how many people can afford to travel to the south of France to watch their team play. I have some great memories of Wakefield and they will always be with me. It is a working class game born in a working class area THAT is the appeal of the game, anyone who says otherwise are deluding themselves.
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| Quote ="Liversedge Wildcat"I will support Wakey whatever league they end up in and if the club dies then my love for RL will die with it. I have played and supported this great game since I first went with my Father and Grandfather in 1968 Wakefield are an integral part of my life and now I can no longer play are my only link to rugby league.
All Super League as done is cause animosity between supporters and and uncertainty in the game. The truth is it is Rugby League not now and for what it is worth never will be a national game in my humble opinion. If expansion is what they want then surely Cumbria is the first point of call.I would rather go watch Wakey play Cas,Hudds,Leeds,Bradford and the rest than go to London or France, by all means =#FF4000create a French league and fill it with French players, but how many people can afford to travel to the south of France to watch their team play. I have some great memories of Wakefield and they will always be with me. It is a working class game born in a working class area THAT is the appeal of the game, anyone who says otherwise are deluding themselves.'"
A very good post that cuts through the bullpat!
I've often thought exactly the same with regard to the strengthening of the French game, we introduced SL supposedly to improve domestic standards and therefore the international standards of English RL.
Surely there is reason to explore the possibilities of doing something similar in France rather than sacrificing one, two or more of our own clubs in order to shoehorn French teams into the SL.
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| Quote ="Liversedge Wildcat"I will support Wakey whatever league they end up in and if the club dies then my love for RL will die with it. I have played and supported this great game since I first went with my Father and Grandfather in 1968 Wakefield are an integral part of my life and now I can no longer play are my only link to rugby league.
All Super League as done is cause animosity between supporters and and uncertainty in the game. The truth is it is Rugby League not now and for what it is worth never will be a national game in my humble opinion. If expansion is what they want then surely Cumbria is the first point of call.I would rather go watch Wakey play Cas,Hudds,Leeds,Bradford and the rest than go to London or France, by all means create a French league and fill it with French players, but how many people can afford to travel to the south of France to watch their team play. I have some great memories of Wakefield and they will always be with me. It is a working class game born in a working class area THAT is the appeal of the game, anyone who says otherwise are deluding themselves.'"
Apart from the date - my earliest memory is of watching the 1963 cup final with my mum and brother (my dad had gone to Wembley) then going out in to the garden with my size 3 rugby ball and "being" Neil Fox ( I was 9!) - you've summed up my feelings precisely. I am totally in favour of the game expanding but it should never be at the expense of what made it the greatest game in the first place - its honesty and integrity. The RFL should be busting a gut to make the rugby league heartland a fortress of the game - a place where RU especially and football are relegated to second place. You don't do that by dumping established teams and p1551ng off large numbers of supporters.
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| Quote ="deeHell"If anyone thinks we are going to get another franchise I'm afraid they are absolutely deluded!
At minimum, one is coming up and at least one is going down. What kind of scenario can you envisage for us to be kept in and someone else to be kicked out? I can't think of any possible way that the RFL could justify kicking a team out that hasn't been in administration and letting a team that's has been stay in. It couldn't be justified and probably leave the RFL open to legal action against themselves from who was kicked out.
The damage has already been done at the club and the damage is irreparable!'"
So you know this. You're the same deeHell who spent month baiting Cas fans as to how great we were and how crap they were and now you turn heels and run deserting the club in it's hour of need - fickle or what. Just as well others stay the course isn't it. I'd of let it go as opinion but considering the posturing on your part in recent times I just can't. Where you deluded 6 month ago? Clearly you were
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| Quote ="vastman"So you know this. You're the same deeHell who spent month baiting Cas fans as to how great we were and how crap they were and now you turn heels and run deserting the club in it's hour of need - fickle or what. Just as well others stay the course isn't it. I'd of let it go as opinion but considering the posturing on your part in recent times I just can't. Where you deluded 6 month ago? Clearly you were
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more faces than the town clock has deehell even in last 24 hours he`s laying into cas fans spouting rubish he know nothing about,although he his now saying that both cas and wakey will go to be replaced by widnes and halifax.
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| Quote ="vastman"So you know this. [uYou're the same deeHell who spent month baiting Cas fans[/u as to how great we were and how crap they were and now you turn heels and run deserting the club in it's hour of need - fickle or what. Just as well others stay the course isn't it. I'd of let it go as opinion but considering the posturing on your part in recent times I just can't. Where you deluded 6 month ago? Clearly you were
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And the other one that followed him around the boards.
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"Apart from the date - my earliest memory is of watching the 1963 cup final with my mum and brother (my dad had gone to Wembley) then going out in to the garden with my size 3 rugby ball and "being" Neil Fox ( I was 9!) - you've summed up my feelings precisely. I am totally in favour of the game expanding but it should never be at the expense of what made it the greatest game in the first place - its honesty and integrity. The RFL should be busting a gut to make the rugby league heartland a fortress of the game - a place where RU especially and football are relegated to second place. You don't do that by dumping established teams and p1551ng off large numbers of supporters.'"
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| Quote ="vastman"So you know this. You're the same deeHell who spent month baiting Cas fans as to how great we were and how crap they were and now you turn heels and run deserting the club in it's hour of need - fickle or what. Just as well others stay the course isn't it. I'd of let it go as opinion but considering the posturing on your part in recent times I just can't. Where you deluded 6 month ago? Clearly you were
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If having a debate about ground funding is baiting maybe I have the wrong idea of a forum. Its' a subject you have brought on the Cas forum before. I believed both our and Castleford futures where linked regarding the new grounds. It seems thanks to Ted mismanagement we've snatched defeat from the hands of victory and handed it on a plate to our neighbours.
Just who exactly says I'm deserting my club, that's just your assumption. I've been here in the darks days of the 80 and 90s when we were struggling in the lower division not that I have to justify the loyalty I've shown over the years to the likes of you.
Just face it, your all mad at me cos I've been knocking your hero Ted. I just say what I think and I made a reasonable statement regarding our future and I'll say it again, the damage has been done and it's irreparable.
Of course you no doubt would be happy if this forum went back to been a Richardson Fan club forum. When Cas put 50 plus past us next week, then you'll see what legacy Ted's and family have left at the club!
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"
Let me ask then, to those who say the RFL, SL and the whole process is 'bent' and 'corrupt' and other such words, why do you want to be in Super League if it is that way?'"
If the RFL/SL really wanted us out we would have been gone years ago. They had the perfect opportunity with the salary cap breach points deduction. We need to cut out the persecution complex and concentrate on getting our own house in order.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"And they haven't shown otherwise. The bids of Crusaders and Harlequins have advantages none of the other clubs have, but we have advantages, in terms of community work, other clubs won't have. No point hanging everything on one issue like some are, using it as another stick to beat the RFL with.
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It cannot be denied that you have a top notch community team and people doing excellent work in that area. The only issue I would take is that you are far from alone in this area. Most clubs have excellent community teams much the same things as Trin.
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| Wrong rugbyball. Clubs get in touch with our community department for help and ideas. I'm not saying others clubs aren't good but we are one of f not the best in this area.
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| Quote ="vastman"So you know this. [uYou're the same deeHell who spent month baiting Cas fans as to how great we were and how crap they were[/u and now you turn heels and run deserting the club in it's hour of need - fickle or what. Just as well others stay the course isn't it. I'd of let it go as opinion but considering the posturing on your part in recent times I just can't. Where you deluded 6 month ago? Clearly you were
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I dont pretend to know you vasty but I never had you down as a hypocrite, your not exactly a stranger to the Cas board yourself, whats it matter if you argue about grounds and the like, or Westerman or even the price of fish these boards are for debate even as intense as they get from time to time. All Dee Hall has done here is put his thoughts into words as is his right although if you ask him nicely he will no doubt run it past you for your consent in future, I'll bet he is not in a minority either on here regarding his thinking that we won't get a franchise, would you put your house on us getting one because I certainly would not, does that make me fickle as well? get down of your high horse mister and show a bit more maturity and a little bit more understanding towards people that do not share your opinions.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Wrong rugbyball. Clubs get in touch with our community department for help and ideas. I'm not saying others clubs aren't good[u but we are one of f not the best in this area.[/u'"
It is widely recognised that we are the best in SL.
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| Quote ="mel plenderleith"It is widely recognised that we are the best in SL.'"
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| Quote ="vastman"By who exactly YAWN'"
Oh I'm so sorry o gracious one, did I tread on your toes with my last post about your pointless and senseless attack on Dee Hall, I can see you now wish you had not made yourself look foolish with your unprovoked character assassination on him, but then again thats your style, clearly for once you are lost for words hence the lack of response to it, please feel free to insult me with your sarcasm if it gets rid of your frustrations , fwiw for a self confessed know all like yourself surely you know and realise what a good job the community Dept are doing unless of course you are not as well imformed as you would have people on here believe.
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