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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"5500 for Jds last ever home game
All I will say is there are fans and then there are supporters the supporters may moan and groan I have a lot this season but at least I get off my backside and make the effort.
5500 just about sums up the fickle bunch that are the Wakefield public
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How dare you critisise me for not going to the game today?
Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"i dont get season tickets due to work but if i did i wouldnt get one for next season'"
Maybe you should make as much effort next season as you did today.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"What were you expecting? 9000 die hard Wakey fans cheering us on like we were top of the league? I don't think we have 9000 fans in the whole world!'"
Why not did Hull FC fans walk away last season Do HKR back their team to the hilt Cas have had 2 relegations and they still average more than Wakefield. Maybe the fact is the City of Wakefield do not deserve a SL team, The Wakefield public don’t appear to care one way or the other.
And for the record imwakefieldtillidie I will buy 2 gold season tickets for next season I have missed more games than I wanted to this season due to being away from home with work that situation has now changed
I have said in the heat of the moment that’s it no more over and over again, this season has being lousy but I can’t walk away
I will be at Bradford and on holiday for Salford
I am far from happy with how Ted and his hangers on run the club. I would love to know who the idiot was that set the match day entry fee at £20.
I am far from happy with on field performance
But now is not the time to take our bat and ball home
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| Lets face it we all know the great sporting public have their true priorities.
1. Prefer to watch sport for free on the telly
2. Better still if the telly is in a pub
3. Their darling team is LUFC
Yesterday was the perfect situation so that may have accounted for some support.
However having said all that I think the second half of the season has been terrible
It has not been entertaining or enjoyable and people have just had enough.
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| Quote ="braytontiger"this time last year wakefield academy were crowned champions,i saw them take apart a castleford u18s side that so far has had at least 6 players make their super league debuts this season and not looked out of place.'"
Well, Cas' Academy could be said to be more successful than ours then. The true test isn't winning meaningless pots, but producing Super League quality players.
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| For all the criticism of the Club's management with respect to attendance I am at a loss to see what more it could do. It has assembled one of, if not the most innovative and hard-working community teams who have tried everything they can to increase interest in watching the team with a sound approach. The vast majority of the thousands of people who must have made one off visits (at subsidised prices) to see the range of additional spectacles (x-factor acts etc) have simply not come back. The elite game is at the top of an ever weakening pyramid in terms of rugby league in the City as fewer people than say 20years ago are involved in the amateur game.
But by far the biggets issue is the fact that the majority of the City's population could not give a fig about WTWRLFC and professional rugby league. I think general malaise is far more of an issue than £20 entry.
Not much point coming on this forum and moaning about numbers turning up to this game and that. It is the people on here who do go to the games on the whole. It is the wider public who need shaking up and that is not going to happen without you know what.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Well, Cas' Academy could be said to be more successful than ours then. The true test isn't winning meaningless pots, but producing Super League quality players.'"
Lets give one a two a go to find out if they have potential.
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| Quote ="snowie"very hard to stomach today's game as it was well against us in the odds, just the fact that it was our last home game v wires was worth the trip to watch as they are proving to be a force now after years of doing naff all, what the difference a new stadium has done to them,
The stadium hasnt done that its the sugar daddy spending his millions thats done that, till wakey or cas get one of those then this is how its gonna be, were both skint (ish)
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| I though the same re the crowd, I was dissapointed that the crowd wasnt larger for him, although of us that were there what an emotional send off for jas
A text on radio leeds for me further hightlighted what an utter legend the guy has being for us,
Unlike all previous players for trin in recent years who've turned up as nobodys then hit form and made a name for them selfs (ellis/brough/poaching/atkins/westwood to name a few) then being offered big money by the likes of leeds/wire/wigan have left without a thought,
Jason stayed with us when the oppoutunity was there for him to leave,
For me JD is the biggest legend of trinity in the SL era bar none
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| To say that its a poor attendance and call people like me "so called supporters" is totally unfair tbh.
I feel the attendance was actually good considering the string of, lets face it, performances. People can say, oh it was JD's last match at Belle Vue, and yes i will thank him for his effort in the years he has been here, but lets face it to think people are going to turn out for just that reason is stupid.
And for what its worth, ive supported wakefield all my life and yes ive seen the relagation battles, play offs etc, and i have to say this team and the performances from this team are arguably worse than the ones from the teams of 2001, 2002 etc, because the sad thing is weve seen this team, even without brough, tronc and Newton can play with performances like Hull Fc at home and Quins at Home.
I will be back next season, with a season ticket and most of all hope. As for this season its finished and the pre season already looks bleak.
Btw, this is my first post on here, so take it easy
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| Quote ="musson"I though the same re the crowd, I was dissapointed that the crowd wasnt larger for him, although of us that were there what an emotional send off for jas
A text on radio leeds for me further hightlighted what an utter legend the guy has being for us,
Unlike all previous players for trin in recent years who've turned up as nobodys then hit form and made a name for them selfs (ellis/[ubrough[/u/poaching/atkins/westwood to name a few) then being offered big money by the likes of leeds/wire/wigan have left without a thought,
Jason stayed with us when the oppoutunity was there for him to leave,
For me JD is the biggest legend of trinity in the SL era bar none'"
Brough was already a Challenge Cup winner when we had him, and he already had a big name in Rugby League, its just that some teams didnt want to touch him with a barge pole or already had players in that position. He hardly made his name at Wakey.
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"Why not did Hull FC fans walk away last season Do HKR back their team to the hilt Cas have had 2 relegations and they still average more than Wakefield. Maybe the fact is the City of Wakefield do not deserve a SL team, The Wakefield public don’t appear to care one way or the other.
And for the record imwakefieldtillidie I will buy 2 gold season tickets for next season [uI have missed more games than I wanted to this season due to being away from home with work [/uthat situation has now changed
I have said in the heat of the moment that’s it no more over and over again, this season has being lousy but I can’t walk away
I will be at Bradford and [uon holiday for Salford[/u
I am far from happy with how Ted and his hangers on run the club. I would love to know who the idiot was that set the match day entry fee at £20.
I am far from happy with on field performance
But now is not the time to take our bat and ball home'"
So you realise that some people cannot attend every single game.....
Hull have more fans than Wakey ever will have.
HKR have more fans than Wakey do.
Cas fans have prob seen their team win more than we have over the last five or six years or so, (partly helped by winning NL1 games - but winning is winning, and draws in fans). They traditionally have higher attendances than Wakey anyway.
What you serve up on the pitch is crucial, you could play out of a golden palace but if you watching crud on the pitch you end up not wanting to turn up. Team/performance next season is important or attendances will stay low.
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| Quote ="Richie_L"Brough was already a Challenge Cup winner when we had him, and he already had a big name in Rugby League, its just that some teams didnt want to touch him with a barge pole or already had players in that position. He hardly made his name at Wakey.'"
if that was the case and wakey hadnt have taken him on where do you think he's have being playing? he would have ended up in the championship,
Ricky Bibey won a CC medal, as have many otheres, a medal doesnt make you a great player
Brough came back to us as some one with potential, he left us as one of, if not the best british half in the game, regardless of that though......
When he was offered better money in what ever form, he left
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| Quote ="musson"if that was the case and wakey hadnt have taken him on where do you think he's have being playing? he would have ended up in the championship,
Ricky Bibey won a CC medal, as have many otheres, a medal doesnt make you a great player
Brough came back to us as some one with potential, he left us as one of, if not the best british half in the game, regardless of that though......
When he was offered better money in what ever form, he left
JD did not'"
He would have found somewhere. You say Bibey won a CC medal, but he wasn't an influential player in the Final as Brough was. Brough had more than potential, he was still a player that Sky Sports raved about when he was having a good game.
I'm not saying that JD didnt have a different approach, just that Brough had a higher reputation before he came.
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| Quote ="Richie_L"So you realise that some people cannot attend every single game.....
Hull have more fans than Wakey ever will have.
HKR have more fans than Wakey do.
Cas fans have prob seen their team win more than we have over the last five or six years or so, (partly helped by winning NL1 games - but winning is winning, and draws in fans). They traditionally have higher attendances than Wakey anyway.
What you serve up on the pitch is crucial, you could play out of a golden palace but if you watching crud on the pitch you end up not wanting to turn up. Team/performance next season is important or attendances will stay low.'"
Maybe, but ours seem to be dropping at pretty much the same rate as yours. In these financially tight times people will prioritise where they splash their cash especially leisure-wise as demonstrated by a feeble 8k at the Jungle on Friday...for the price of admission you could buy a good few pints in a pub showing the game live. At the very least punters demand value for money but very rarely get it from either of our clubs at the moment. If the quality of the teams we are putting out continues to deteriorate next season even the unmentionable merger wouldn't help because we couldn't raise a decent side between us.
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| Quote ="Richie_L"He would have found somewhere. You say Bibey won a CC medal, but he wasn't an influential player in the Final as Brough was. Brough had more than potential, he was still a player that Sky Sports raved about when he was having a good game.
I'm not saying that JD didnt have a different approach, just that Brough had a higher reputation before he came.'"
the point i'm trying to make is that JD didnt take the money, he stayed to fight for the trin cause, if you dont like me using brough as an example there are plenty of other players I could name
The bottom line is no one else of JDs ability has stayed when a bigger club has come knocking
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| Quote ="musson"the point i'm trying to make is that JD didnt take the money, he stayed to fight for the trin cause, if you dont like me using brough as an example there are plenty of other players I could name
The bottom line is no one else of JDs ability has stayed when a bigger club has come knocking'"
I agree with that, don't get me wrong I don't respect what Brough did - I would much prefer more people were loyal like JD has been. I agreed with the other names you named as being nothing much before their Wakey days, we have severely contributed to their career progression.
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| Quote ="musson"Unlike all previous players for trin in recent years who've turned up as nobodys then hit form and made a name for them selfs (ellis/brough/poaching/atkins/westwood to name a few) then being offered big money by the likes of leeds/wire/wigan have left without a thought,
Jason stayed with us when the oppoutunity was there for him to leave,'"
Really? Which clubs?
I'd rather have done as Ellis, Westwood and Poching did, and Atkins may do in a fortnight - leaving for bigger, more professionally run clubs to win trophies than stay with little hope of that if I was a player.
Loyalty is very over-rated.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Really? Which clubs?
I'd rather have done as Ellis, Westwood and Poching did, and Atkins may do in a fortnight - leaving for bigger, more professionally run clubs to win trophies than stay with little hope of that if I was a player.
Loyalty is very over-rated.'" if he had done you would probably have been one of the first to call him. loyalty is a quality that has to be earned and jd has earned it in bucketfulls at wakey. all the afore mentiond players, ellis westwood poaching, atkins etc kissed the badges and talked the talk but none of them actually stayed. when the money was offered jd walked the walk stuck with wakey through thick and thin. . you might think that that loyalty is over rated but its a good job evryone does not think like you .jd certainly doesn't
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"5500 for Jds last ever home game
All I will say is there are fans and then there are supporters the supporters may moan and groan I have a lot this season but at least I get off my backside and make the effort.
5500 just about sums up the fickle bunch that are the Wakefield public
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I think the word 'apathy' sums up the people of Wakefield nicely (absence or suppression of passion, emotion, or excitement or lack of interest in or concern for things that others find moving or exciting.)
We're also good at blo*dy moaning too. Members of the public have already slagged off the new Bull Ring, Hepworth Gallery and even the sodding road near the new Trinity Walk development - it's too sharp the corner. Well here's a solution - slow down!
I'm afraid people of Wakefield like to get p*ssed, grab a kebab or watch sport on the TV (in a pub) rather than support something local (rugby union, football club etc etc.)
I've dreaded going to games this season but I always tell myself after another defeat that it's going to get better next week!
I already can't wait for this campaign to finish and get stuck into the next one.
Shame JD didn't have more to see him off but 5500 at the end of a poor season for the club is actually better that I anticipated.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Really? Which clubs?
I'd rather have done as Ellis, Westwood and Poching did, and Atkins may do in a fortnight - leaving for bigger, more professionally run clubs to win trophies than stay with little hope of that if I was a player.
Loyalty is very over-rated.'"
Are you saying youre a player?!?
Atkins has already left and gone to a bigger club, that being warrington
Are you saying that JDs loyalty to the club and fans doesnt contribute to his status as a trinity great?
The above aside my message seems to be getting lost here
Jason to me is the biggest legend of the SL era to trinity, what sets him apart from many other excellent players who have played for us and moved on is that he stayed when he was offered a contract/s else where
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"5500 for Jds last ever home game
All I will say is there are fans and then there are supporters the supporters may moan and groan I have a lot this season but at least I get off my backside and make the effort.
5500 just about sums up the fickle bunch that are the Wakefield public
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How can you make a sweeping statement like that?
OK the crowd wasn't the best but after what has been offered by the team, not just last few games, but since Good Friday, its no surprise. We all applaud JD for his service to RL & Trin but the standard of play he and most of the others have been putting in recently makes it very hard to justify £20 for 80 mins of total boredom & frustration.
You might have made the effort - good for you. Some have chosen not to go. Live with it.
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| Fans ask for pride/passion and effort from players wearing our shirt, we've had this for the past god knows how long from this guy yet some find excuses for not turning out at BV sunday and saying good bye.
You want it, you get it, and then you find a reason to turn a blind eye.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Fans ask for pride/passion and effort from players wearing our shirt, we've had this for the past god knows how long from this guy yet some find excuses for not turning out at BV sunday and saying good bye.
You want it, you get it, and then you find a reason to turn a blind eye.
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That is fair to say about JD, but unless I am missing the point. People pay to go to matches to see two teams competing, not to watch one man with pride and passion carry 16 others in game against 17 other players.
Nobody as I can see has said that JD has not shown pride or effort. What people are saying is that they are not prepared to part with hard earned cash to watch that shower week in week out. Look at it how you want but that is not turning a blind eye it is living in the reality of the team haven't given the effort we should expect from Professional sportsmen. We have been a playing like a beaten side for months.
To put it in simple terms (as an example) if signed up to a dvd rental package and then after a few months the company sent you copies made from somebody with camcorder in a cinema instead, would you carry on paying for it? No you wouldn't, the same principle applies if people are not getting value for money from a team then people are unlikely to pay out for sentiment.
The simple fact is that at the beginning of the season we were promised McDonalds and finished with a broken down burger van.
Before anyone starts with nobody could have forseen what was going to happen (we started the season with two hookers and a third coming through from the Academy, that negates the need for Newton. It was said on this forum last winter that Brough was going to leave, couldn't we have cashed in then and found a replacement. As for Tronc the club went for a big name when we got rid of a more than capable player in Stosic) or Kear saved us speech (maybe if he had been captain of the Titanic maybe it wouldn't have sunk)
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