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| Quote ="ambernotyeller"
Of course its not churlish not participating in a feasibility study when the Terms of Reference are slanted such that only Glasshoughton can come out as being feasible.
Castleford agreed to the study as they believed it would come up with Glasshoughton otherwise they would not have agreed.
Newmarket is deliverable if the Council grant Outline Consent which is within their power to do so. There will not be a Public Enquiry - why should the Government spend time and money on an enquiry when the land will be designated for development in the next LDF Review. Its now over to the Council - lets see if they want a Community Stadium at Newmarket or not.
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| Quote In what way would it have not been independant ? I hope you are not suggesting any wrongdoing by any councillor . Could you please post evidence that this was not an independant study, Im sure most people would like to see it.
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The study was in no way going to look at the long term effects of either team as a business, which has to be the single most important thing. If it's not going to consider that why bother, the effects on us could of been disastrous.
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| Quote ="ambernotyeller"In what way would it have not been independant ? I hope you are not suggesting any wrongdoing by any councillor . Could you please post evidence that this was not an independant study, Im sure most people would like to see it. '"
Because Box is a Cas fan & head honcho at the Council.
How can he be impartial, I know I wouldn’t be.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Been the king of spin for the last few years it's a very poor effort for Dickies standards!'"
He needs to open the stadium shop back up at Xscape they'll all swallow that and it will keep them happy for the next 9 months or so.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Because Box is a Cas fan & head honcho at the Council.
How can he be impartial, I know I wouldn’t be.'"
So you set the council leaders standards alongside your own ???
You still didnt show any evidence that it wouldnt have been independant
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| Quote ="jack in the box"He needs to open the stadium shop back up at Xscape they'll all swallow that and it will keep them happy for the next 9 months or so.'"
I forgot about that, is that actually still there?
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| Quote ="ambernotyeller"So you set the council leaders standards alongside your own ???
You still didnt show any evidence that it wouldnt have been independant'"
No, my integrity is whiter than white.
The evidence? HE IS A CAS FAN, its human nature.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"No, my integrity is whiter than white.
The evidence? HE IS A CAS FAN, its human nature.'"
Human?
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| Quote ="deeHell"icon_lol.gif I forgot about that, is that actually still there?'"
The shop is closed now but all their propaganda is still in the place. As an aside I was around Xscape the other day and quite a few of the shops are empty and the whole place is starting to look very tired
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| Can I ask a question?
Is it possible that a lack of agreement between Cas and Wakey could shaft the pair of you in 2012?
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Can I ask a question?
Is it possible that a lack of agreement between Cas and Wakey could shaft the pair of you in 2012?'"
It would have shafted Wakey eventually if we had gone to Glashoughton. That is the only thing that bothers me.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Can I ask a question?
Is it possible that a lack of agreement between Cas and Wakey could shaft the pair of you in 2012?'"
Not really, an agreement with either as the lesser party would have shafted the other forever!
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"It would have shafted Wakey eventually if we had gone to Glashoughton. That is the only thing that bothers me.'" Im not just talking about the 2 stadia.
Im talking about the fact Both Cas and Wakey have been at this for a very long time and yet compramises (sp) couldn't be found.
Is it possible you could both pay for your vanity/ego?
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Can I ask a question?
Is it possible that a lack of agreement between Cas and Wakey could shaft the pair of you in 2012?'"
Of course it could. But at least we have a fighting chance this way. We are committed to our aims and the people that are in charge are confident the stadium can delivered along with our Super League future.
Had we moved to Glasshoughton we would of been well and truly shafted, no doubt about it!
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| Quote ="Trinity Till Death"Not really, an agreement with either as the lesser party would have shafted the other forever!'" Did anyone think of perhaps binning both ideas and building at or around junction 31 if that was possible or something like that before you both got so entrenched with your own stadia?
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Im not just talking about the 2 stadia.
Im talking about the fact Both Cas and Wakey have been at this for a very long time and yet compramises (sp) couldn't be found.
Is it possible you could both pay for your vanity/ego?'"
Newmarket is a compromise, it's equal distance for both teams. Glasshoughton would of been a compromise for us only.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Im not just talking about the 2 stadia.
Im talking about the fact Both Cas and Wakey have been at this for a very long time and yet compramises (sp) couldn't be found.
Is it possible you could both pay for your vanity/ego?'"
When you can compromise with your 'friends' at FC I would suggest you come back and inform us how we can do the same.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Can I ask a question?
Is it possible that a lack of agreement between Cas and Wakey could shaft the pair of you in 2012?'"
Its not just possible mate , its what will happen, both clubs will be dumped into the championship because the RFL arent as gullible as both sets of fans (but at least both clubs will retain their identity ), looking forward to it, playing in an honest league without the worry that the RFL dont want because you dont have soft toilet paper or a pre pack atmosphere free stadium that you cant fill.
Makes for a 3 way local derby scenario as it used to be................................................................................................... bring it on
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| Quote ="jack in the box"When you can compromise with your 'friends' at FC I would suggest you come back and inform us how we can do the same.'" With the greatest of respect if our very survival hanged on us playing at the KC or get binned out of SL and possibly never seeing us back in the top flight i'm pretty sure we would make a unpopular decision.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"With the greatest of respect if our very survival hanged on us playing at the KC or get binned out of SL and possibly never seeing us back in the top flight i'm pretty sure we would make a unpopular decision.'"
Our situation is slightly different. A move to GH would have killed the club within 18 months. That is suicide not compromise !
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| Quote ="deeHell"Newmarket is a compromise, it's equal distance for both teams. Glasshoughton would of been a compromise for us only.'"
I have to disagree, Newmarket is in Wakey therefore it is suitable only for Wakey as is GH for Cas . Its no comromise unless both teams move away from their towns, anyway thats all academic now
good luck to both clubs not just in the stadia but in conning the Superleague to let them stay another 3 years, but as said before I am fed up of that bent organisation and the honesty of the championship may be a breath of fresh air
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Our situation is slightly different. A move to GH would have killed the club within 18 months. That is suicide not compromise !'" You think us moving to the west of Hull would not cause us similar problems?
From here it looks like a straight decision by both clubs.
That being either work together or kiss SL goodbye.
If that happens it will be a shame IMHO.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"You think us moving to the west of Hull would not cause us similar problems?
From here it looks like a straight decision by both clubs.
That being either work together or kiss SL goodbye.
If that happens it will be a shame IMHO.'"
So be it.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Did anyone think of perhaps binning both ideas and building at or around junction 31 if that was possible or something like that before you both got so entrenched with your own stadia?'"
Availability of land is an issue. If we could go back five years, land around Normanton would probably have been a decent compromise, but back then we were getting the big thumbs up from the council for Thornes Park and Cas had their own project. There was no banking collapse and everything was rosy. Now that time has moved on, there is no opportunity to look afresh for neutral land. It's a different scenario for you, as the KC Stadium is already built. Imagine if FC were still at the Boulevard and you were both told to share a ground in Hull. How long would it take to find land that would be available and suitable, with all the planning considerations, that would suit both sets of fans?
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| Quote ="ambernotyeller"I have to disagree, Newmarket is in Wakey therefore it is suitable only for Wakey as is GH for Cas . Its no comromise unless both teams move away from their towns, anyway thats all academic now
good luck to both clubs not just in the stadia but in conning the Superleague to let them stay another 3 years, but as said before I am fed up of that bent organisation and the honesty of the championship may be a breath of fresh air'"
The Newmarket/Stanley site is half way between, I agree it does favor Wakey slightly because of the fact that it's carries a Wakefield address. It's far enough from either teams population base to be as neutral as can be. Glasshoughton is right on the doorstep of Castleford's population base. As a result you would not of lost one fan and probably gain a few more. We would lost the majority of our support and not gained any new ( except a few more away fans). Of course you know all this but refuse to see it because your that blinkered!
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