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| Lot of Cas fans on this forum trying to extol the merits of Glasshoughton. A pointless exercise.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"4.3 miles from Wakefield is not in 'my' back yard. You really are not grasping my point are you?
GH is in your 'back yard'. NM is not in our 'back yard'.
If you don't get this point, don't respond. Converse with someone with more patience than myself.
Your failure to grasp my point is exasperating, and I have no more desire to try and educate you.
Thanks.'"
Of course i get your point you want Wakey in Wakey, quite right too, but you have to see the other side, we want Cas in Cas, and we will never agree on this idiotic plan to share.
As for educating me , you are letting yourself down with such childish statements as that .
Are you 'newgroundb4cas' in disguise ???
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Lot of Cas fans on this forum trying to extol the merits of Glasshoughton. A pointless exercise.'"
Its called a discussion but it seems to be degenerating , even you have stopped being constructive
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| Quote ="ambernotyeller"Of course i get your point you want Wakey in Wakey, quite right too, but you have to see the other side, we want Cas in Cas, and we will never agree on this idiotic plan to share.
As for educating me , you are letting yourself down with such childish statements as that .
Are you 'newgroundb4cas' in disguise ???'"
So, you haven't got my point at all.
I have no desire to continue this conversation with you.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"4.3 miles from Wakefield is not in 'my' back yard. You really are not grasping my point are you?
GH is in your 'back yard'. NM is not in our 'back yard'.
If you don't get this point, don't respond. Converse with someone with more patience than myself.
Your failure to grasp my point is exasperating, and I have no more desire to try and educate you.
Thanks.'"
So the only advantage to you of NM over GH is that it would save travelling an extra 5.2 miles and because of that you would not go to see a WTWC home game at a shared ground. I give up!
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| Quote ="Wildthing"
I have no desire to continue this conversation with you.
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My feelings too, i wouldn't waste your time, i'm not
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| Quote ="ambernotyeller"Lets look at a typical matchday in the future, arrive at exscape have a wander round and a few pints before the game, watch the game in a purpose built stadium, out for a bit of something to eat at ione of the many food outlets and a bit of shopping to pacify the mrs then on to the train for the journey home, as opposed to turn up, show the family round the industrial units and mebbe a burger at the van, watch the game in a purpose built stadium , out for another look at the warehouse then into the car for the drive home.'"
Can't say I find the prospect of having to hang around a retail park for up to two hours both before and after a match that enticing. It doesn't get much more appealing when sandwiched between over an hour journey time on public transport.
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| Quote ="bigalf"Where is the evidence to back this claim? Even if true it will be 2013 before it happens.'"
The Secretary of States office review of the Wakefield LDF has legally bound Wakefield to designate an additional 95 hectares of commercial development land along the M62 corridor in the revised LDF. As such, the Newmarket site would go most of the way, under the current proposals to provide probably around 80% of that space. If the current proposal does not get planning and Yorkcourt sits on the land, I think that the revised LDF would formally allocate at least the old Newmarket pit site area of the current site for commercial development, meaning that planning would be likely to succeed if applied for again.
I am not sure when the voluntary review of the revised LDF is due to be complete but I think it will be later this year or early next... way before 2013!
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"The Secretary of States office review of the Wakefield LDF has legally bound Wakefield to designate an additional 95 hectares of commercial development land along the M62 corridor in the revised LDF. As such, the Newmarket site would go most of the way, under the current proposals to provide probably around 80% of that space. If the current proposal does not get planning and Yorkcourt sits on the land, I think that the revised LDF would formally allocate at least the old Newmarket pit site area of the current site for commercial development, meaning that planning would be likely to succeed if applied for again.
I am not sure when the voluntary review of the revised LDF is due to be complete but I think it will be later this year or early next... way before 2013!'"
Not sure about Wakefield's but Sheffield's is currently under review so its the right time for reviews.
As I have said many times on here if the Council are 100% behind Newmarket there is every chance that Government Office will call in the application and pass it back to Wakefield to determine without a Public Inquiry. As you say the land will be developed sooner or later and it may as well be developed now with all the benefits to the Community that will bring rather than risking it later when these facilities may not be enforecable.
Newmarket can happen with the right Political support.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Quite balanced for you, old chap.
The threat of it getting called in won't matter, as it will get looked at anyway. The issue is whether or not it goes to a public enquiry, which it probably won't, as they are expensive, and as the land is scheduled to be redesignated as development land anyway by the council, it would be seen as an expensive waste of time.
[uThe rail links is a good point, but equally the pre-existing congestion at Glasshoughton could be a factor in favour of Newmarket. Would the other businesses want the whole place swamped by rugby-only fans every week? It would put other punters off.[/u
Planning permission is a good point again, but that is all in the hands of the council, who could have given us outline permission last week if the wrecking ball hadn't started to swing once more.
There are pros and cons to each, but the debate boils down to rugby rivalries, and it's as simple as that. The council holds all the trump cards at the moment, and you know what they say, that the house always wins.
It is amazing how knowledgeable you can sound when you have a pint with Sandal Cat.'"
Its congested at the moment because half the roads are being ripped up to remove the possibility of a congestion problem, plus with the new cutsyke road you can approach xcsape from two junctions further easing any congestion. On top of this the majority of fans attending will be cas fans many of whom will walk. Then theres the rail staion which being so close to the stadium will be the method of choice for many away fans (no one wants to be the designated driver ) the routes from which are expanding (there are plans for instance to run trains to north yorkshire from there). There are coaches running to places like hull and london from freeport too.
As for the business being annoyed most of those business are for eating, drinking shopping or entertaining, a few thousand extra customers every few weeks would be very appealing to them. xscape have already said they fully support the stadium.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Its congested at the moment because half the roads are being ripped up to remove the possibility of a congestion problem, plus with the new cutsyke road you can approach xcsape from two junctions further easing any congestion. On top of this the majority of fans attending will be cas fans many of whom will walk. Then theres the rail staion which being so close to the stadium will be the method of choice for many away fans (no one wants to be the designated driver
) the routes from which are expanding (there are plans for instance to run trains to north yorkshire from there). There are coaches running to places like hull and london from freeport too.
As for the business being annoyed most of those business are for eating, drinking shopping or entertaining, a few thousand extra customers every few weeks would be very appealing to them. xscape have already said they fully support the stadium.'"
Wasting your time mate , this lot have a fixation for empty industrial units and would sooner look round them than enjoy life
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| Just my personal opinion,but quite frankly i have no interest in being dragged around the shops by the wife and neither has the little one.
As for the food outlets - there nothing special -- the chinese is crap.
With all these attractions it could turn out to be quite an expensive day just to watch a game.Thats if the train actually turns up on time to get me there in the first place.
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| Quote ="pyeman" On top of this the majority of fans attending will be cas fans many of whom will walk.'"
That's fine then. All sorted, the Cas fans will be able to walk. What about the Wakey fans? A bit of a longer walk for us. At least at NM if we both set off to walk we will arrive at roughly the same time.
And who wants to eat the c**p they serve at xscape anyway!!
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Just my personal opinion,but quite frankly i have no interest in being dragged around the shops by the wife and neither has the little one.
As for the food outlets - there nothing special -- the chinese is crap.
With all these attractions it could turn out to be quite an expensive day just to watch a game.Thats if the train actually turns up on time to get me there in the first place.'"
Send her to the shops while you and the young un watch the game, problem solved.
Not saying the foot outlets are anything special, but plenty of people still eat in them and would do so on a match day. wouldnt know about the chinese last time i went to the indian it was quite nice but that was a few years ago.
It could be a very expensive day out with bowling, cinema, lazer tag, skiing, climbing and in the future surfing as well as shoping, eating drinking and rugby, but you can tailer to your own budget, if you cant afford it you dont have to do it and at least you have a great deal of choice, which is obviously a good thing.
As for the train turning up on time well that goes the same for any public transport, if the park and ride buses are late setting off to newmarket your in the same boat.
I accept that as you say its your own personal opinion (as it happens i prefer to go drinking round cas than xscape but theres alot of my mates that have the opposite view) and the whole package isnt for everyone, but objectivley i'm sure you can i agree that there will be many that do fancy the idea of taking there families out for a big funpacked day with something for the whole family to enjoy.
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| Quote ="newcat"That's fine then. All sorted, the Cas fans will be able to walk. What about the Wakey fans? A bit of a longer walk for us. At least at NM if we both set off to walk we will arrive at roughly the same time.
And who wants to eat the c**p they serve at xscape anyway!!'"
Your missing the point that was being made, concerns were raised about congestion on match days i was explaining why it wont be a problem.
Well plenty of people do eat at xscape every single day, 5 star resturaunts they aint, but there arent to many of those in the whole district are there?
The point of all this is not that the everything is perfect for everyone, its that theres so much choice on what to do and where to go around the ground that most people will find something to there taste.
Doubt i would get there at the same time walking, its about 7/8 miles from my house to newmarket, with it being so far out of cas its no use to me i cant drive and the buses are too unreliable.
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| Quote ="ambernotyeller"Wasting your time mate , this lot have a fixation for empty industrial units and would sooner look round them than enjoy life'"
Too right ! Flogging a dead horse!
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| Quote ="bigalf"Too right ! Flogging a dead horse!'"
Oh well, thanks for trying anyway chaps, its been a pleasure. See ya.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Your missing the point that was being made, concerns were raised about congestion on match days i was explaining why it wont be a problem.'"
It might be okay on Cas match days, but what about Wakey match days? It's bad enough getting to xscape (& Junction 32) without a few thousand RL fans also turning up as well. I know we do not get that many, but I'm counting away fans as well. But not when we play Catalans, Quins, Crusaders & any other expansion team the RL adds to SL in 2012
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| Quote ="pyeman"Well plenty of people do eat at xscape every single day, 5 star resturaunts they aint, but there arent to many of those in the whole district are there? .'"
Not in Cas maybe, but they are one or two decent places to eat in Wakey
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| things not in our favour
councilor peter box
bigot leeds council
things in our favour
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| Quote ="newcat"It might be okay on Cas match days, but what about Wakey match days? It's bad enough getting to xscape (& Junction 32) without a few thousand RL fans also turning up as well. I know we do not get that many, but I'm counting away fans as well. But not when we play Catalans, Quins, Crusaders & any other expansion team the RL adds to SL in 2012
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If you look at my post you will see i've explained why there wont be a congestion problem, the only reason why there is current congestion there is becuase the roads are being improved so there wont be a congestion problem when the stadium is built. before this work was started there was no congestion problem. The new road from cutsyke will also mean that the amount of people coming off m62 can be split between the two junctions. As well as this theres is the option of rail travel if your worried about congestion.
One thing i didnt directly mention is that with more to do round the area (even if its only go for a drink) people wont all be arriving just before kick off and they wont all be leaving just after the hooter, the influx will be staggered
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| Quote ="newcat"Not in Cas maybe, but they are one or two decent places to eat in Wakey
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Oh theres a few good places to eat in cas too
Having sampled the original red chilli in cas and the red chilli two in wakey i know which i think is best!
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| Quote ="pyeman"
As for the business being annoyed most of those business are for eating, drinking shopping or entertaining, a few thousand extra customers every few weeks would be very appealing to them. xscape have already said they fully support the stadium.'"
Just a small point.
In the modern entertainment industry the entry fee is just one opportunity to make the all important wonga.
You need to sell all sorts of merchandise, lottery opportunities, supporting literature and especiallly food and drink. The best way to do this is to have a captive audience where you are the sole supplier.
The risk at GH with all those other attractions/distractions is that the fans are only in the stadium for the minimal length of time to watch the game and their additional cash is leaked to other businesses.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Oh theres a few good places to eat in cas too
Having sampled the original red chilli in cas and the red chilli two in wakey i know which i think is best!'"
Who cares????
There is not a wildcat in hells chance that we would relocate to Glasshoughton
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| Pointless arguing this as it has already been discussed at length on the other thread. The Cas site has many positives that far outweigh the Wakefield site in some respects but the Trinity fans don't want to move, that's their prerogative.
I can see why but using Barnsley is almost as bad and I cannot for the life of me see that being financially viable.
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