He started at Half back against Salford.

I thought Obst was a more than adequate replacement for Brough after the previous two games, or are we starting to look more long term now?

Poor Paul Cooke. When will he get a settled partner to work with so he can stamp his influence on the team. He's gone from not playing at all to moving to a new club and having to be the main creative force! Hopefully, he's given time and not expected to pull up trees straight away.

Is it better to play Morrison out of position while players come back, reducing his effectiveness, or put one of the much vaunted youth of this club in the side?

Is Demetriou up to it or, like Davis in his last year with us, is this a year too far? It'd be easy to say he's not being picked on performance at the moment. We can't pick a team on emotion can we?

Thought our 2 biggest problems last night were the terrible distribution from half back and individual errors in defense.

The balls from our acting half back were more often than not woeful from Latu - either infront or behind the runner or too high or too low - leaving the big fella's with no chance of timing their runs, something that Tronc and Gledhill particularly seemed to struggle with more than most yesterday, this left us on the back foot for most of the game.

Individual erros cost us deerly in defense, shocking numbering up and communication on the left hand side leaving us exposed. Blanch didn't have the pace to correct his (and more often Gleeson's) bad position and decisions. We decided to give them the outside, and they had the pace to take it - but we seemed to learn the lesson when Gleeson went off and we changed things. 2 tries and 10 points leaked before we start. Then we have, what appeared to be (from a long way away behind the sticks) a howler from Blaymire for their 3rd try - anybody seen a replay of it? 14 daft points leaked.

Whilst I don't doubt that Wire had another gear or maybe 2, and fluffed a couple of tries (Carvell taking the wrong option with a 3 man overlap springs to mind) and could have stepped up a notch if required, the fact is we only got beat by 16 points (16 we let in daftly) and stranger things have happened when we get close to teams after being well behind......

Kicking game was non existant, Korki and Tronc had as close to stinkers as they have had all season (aided by Latu) and with ball in hand we looked clueless, but you would expect that with a brand new/makeshift half back pairing.

We need to pull our fingers out against Cas cos I can't see us getting any change out of Wigan on Monday.

He seemed to be doing a bit of organising last night, pointing and showing the lads where to be - if he can continue to do this and stamp his influence as you say he might come good at 6 with BJ at 7.

Yes another good post highlighting some valid points.

It was unfortunate as I've enjoyed some good proper battles between our sides. Dunno if you have injuries or not, but Wakey offered nothing last night - which was a shame. One good try, atry from Korki that never was a try, and a complet balls up in defence on our part for the third.

The only shining light was the guy who played 31 for you.

Korkis was a try, a lucky try. The pass was not meant for him, he got in the way, the ball hit him on the leg, then the padding on the post and landed over the line and he touched it down. No infringement, just very lucky.

Your'e right, we offered nothing. The guy who played 31 is a Gledhill, a young lad who has just signed full time who looks like he could be a good one.

I could not agree more, the guts of the teams injured or gone and we can't expect miracles for the time being from the players left untill we get BJ back and Cooke fits in.

I don't understand what some people expect at times.

If we are mentioning tries,Warrington scored one in the first half when the Wakefield side stopped,following a Warrington kick-through when the kicker ran into a Wakefield player and then fell to the ground( This was after an earlier dubious decision by Bentham).In the second half,the try in the corner came about when Bentham positioned himself to obstruct the Wakefield defender.

Warrington were the better side and deserved the victory and as Smith is quoted as saying 'Still early doors and we're still learning'. It certainly applies to Wakefield.

Wakefield will be offering far more in future contests.

Dead right AL, it's like starting all over again with no pre season.

Well its not were we would want to be at this stage but its just how it is and we'll have to plod on, maybe we'll come good when they all fit in.

Or "all is lost" "man the lifeboats"

I didn't get there so I can't say but I know what people mean when they go on about Gleeson. So something needs to be done about that wing. It could take Obst/Jefferies (when back) and Cooke a while to sort things out. Add to that we have Tevita Leo-Latuo who is not the most organised hooker and James Davey getting up to speed. Therefore I am of the opinion that some things can be fixed reasonably quickly and others might take a game or three to sort themselves out.

was gonna keep out of this al as i did not go but to say im slightly disappointed with some comments on here is the biggest understatement off the year so far , what hurts more is the fact that i thought it would be the usualls but no its posters who normally have a little more dignity in defeat.

we a injury list that is growing even if sky just concentrate on those whinoes injuries , we have had to move players around and have lost to a very good wire side , andy kelly on radio paid tribute to the defence to keep them out .
once cooke settles and bj returns i think we can adapt a different game .

in kear we trust.....or rather i do.


at times i really struggle to get to grips with some comments on this board

I'm just going to say that I thought Warrington were superb last night and would have beaten most teams. Well done to the Wire, and if we win on Friday, this won't matter. In fact, the score ended up as one that you could have reasonably predicted before the game.

We've had a good first third of the season, except that the bad moments have been really bad. Now we just need a solid middle third, with a 50-50 win ratio to be there or thereabouts for the final third run-in.

It's not all doom and gloom. We were just beaten well by a very good side.

Sorry Mutts - you weren't there and, as someone who who tries to 'big up' most things Wildcats, I can only say that the performance last night was garbage - from start to finish, almost to a man and was as dull as dishwater. If somehow that makes me disloyal for having a downer after working my nuts off all week, spending £35 on tickets, rushing home and having 10 minutes to get changed and get back on the road - then I'll take it.

IMO that performance ranks alongside the Huddersfield debacle - only difference being that Hudds were more clinical in finishing us off and with their goal-line defence.



Really, really fed up after that!

At last some sense, I expect the usual suspects to come on with OTT stuff like SHOCKING but some posters on here surprise me.

Even at the start of the season we were IMO a possible 8,7 or at best 6 finisher. Having now lost Brough, Newton and for now BJ the brains of the outfit people still seem to expect fecking miracles.

Just stop and think people. Warrington, at home, on form with team that cost millions and they beat us comfortably WOW I'd have never seen that coming.

Fans often attack players for believing the hype, well in this case it's the fans. No way is losing to Warrington by that margin either shocking or a shock.

Even without the loss of those mentioned it still wouldn't have been a shock. We built our teams with mainly scrap (appropriate considering our sponsor). The latest most ludicrous most bound to end in tears one is the expectation being laid at Gledhills door. He's a kid with promise, he will go down before he goes up and he won't turn us into a top 4 side, not this year anyway. Look at the team, really look at it, they are doing OK but all things are relative.

Let's get real before some on here have their bubbles well and truly burst.

Finally someone posted that Cas will blow us away, WHY? At what point did Cas become as good as Warrington. For heavens sake why the OTT defeatist stuff. We may have our weaknesses but it also takes a good team to spot and exploit them so I say again at what point did Cas become Hudds?

Why do Trinity fans throw the baby out with the bath water. Why when we win do we reckon we are gods gift and the following week when we lose we are utter crap. Why not show a little decorum and take defeat on the chin and move on - well done Warrington by the way for your OMO expected win.

Well I wasn't there either, but that is not your best ever comment - sorry.

Vasty - it's not the result, or the margin, that was upsetting - rather the complete lack of any semblance of organised rugby - defence or offence.

Cas are not as strong as us, but they are very good movers of the ball and will have a field day out wide with that defence - it was awful.

We have problems - some of our making and some not - but the fomula doesn't look right at this time.

The first part of that sentence makes the rest irrelevant I'm afraid.

No it doesn't actually. I fully accept that we were as bad as you say. The point is what else do you expect. If you don't think that after the loss of Brough and for me Newton we are not going to be an up and down side you're in for a long season. We are an outside bet who with a bit of luck could trouble the tables, but we will put in some shockers this year. That said the shocker against Hudds was not one we could take for many reasons, this one I won't lose a minutes sleep over.

These games are nothing to do with sliding defences and everything to do with who wants it. Cas could easily win it but that won't make them as good a team as Warrington or Hudds in the same way that both of us beating Leeds doesn't make us champions.

Fair enough - and we'll get back on the horse at some point (and so will I), but it genuinely was an awful preformance - across the park - and you would feel more strongly about it if you'd been (although I appreciate that you have less of an 'emotional' tendency than I do - for better or worse).

I stood with a group of 'grumpy old men' last night and there wasn't a lot good to say. I also stood with my missus, who was so tired out she could barely stand for the whole game - and for what? It certainly bore no resemblance to entertainment!

Its quite interesting that posters on here who didn't go to the game seem to know more about the game than those who went and didn't find the performance "shocking" as some of us who went. I think I know whose opinions on Friday's game are worth listening to.

Also it was me who said that Cas would beat us next Friday if we did not fix the problem we have with the sliding defence and our right hand side. I stand by that comment but we could all stick our heads up our backsides and pretend that we don't have any problems and see what happens.

This is a Forum where we can have our own opinions. You do not have to agree with those opinions as I often don't with other posters but I respect their right to express those opinions.

There are some on here who seem to think they know more than others on here. Maybe they do but we don't need them ramming it down everyone throats all the time - thats just plain arrogant.

Your a Trinity fan you should be used to that by now - I think the relative success of the JK years have given us unrealistic expectations at time. Since when was a trip to an in form Wire ever likely to be enjoyable - think of it this way, we have done it to them enough times so fairs fair

Fair comment - but I did not go expecting a result - I went expecting some kind of SL standard performance - and did not get it. It really was THAT bad!

If we're honest about these things, look at who's getting the MOM votes. That player is debated often on here, and he deserves all the credit for taking the game to Wire, but if ANY of the other players had played well and stood out then he wouldn't be there, would he? If he's your best player, that means the rest of them are poorer, and that does not make a SL standard performance I'm afraid.