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| Quote ="Fully"You really think that do you?
IMO, GH would bring more - it would bring jobs to the region - just as Newmarket. It has BETTER transport links, is right next to one of the most visited attractions in the UK and will bring a lot of business and prosperity to the region.
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It sounds a good argument. It [iis[/i a good argument. But (unless we're being fobbed off with this too) the Newmarket development will bring an estimated 1,000 jobs to the area. 1,000 people off the dole queue, earning a living, paying taxes, spending their money in the district... Not to be sniffed at, compared with upsurge in weekend tourism because Cas are playing at home. Glasshoughton already attracts these people, don't forget.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"It sounds a good argument. It [iis[/i a good argument. But (unless we're being fobbed off with this too) the Newmarket development will bring an estimated 1,000 jobs to the area. 1,000 people off the dole queue, earning a living, paying taxes, spending their money in the district... Not to be sniffed at, compared with upsurge in weekend tourism because Cas are playing at home. Glasshoughton already attracts these people, don't forget.'"
That's for the whole development. How long will the whole development take to build? 1 year, 5 years, 10 years?
Lets face it, what is the priority? A stadium for both teams - nothing more, nothing less. Right now, at this present moment in time GH is the logical solution. I know Wakey fans won't want to hear it and I don't like saying it but it is. Why?
- Outline planning permission. Designs available soon and full planning permission can be applied for before Wakefield even get a decision back on outline planning permission.
- Solves disputes with the "NIMBYs" as your fans refer to them and Leeds Council.
- Better transport links and stuff that has already been solved. As I recall, there are issues with Newmarket in this regard.
- It's still in the Wakefield district. You lot keep saying Cas is part of Wakefield, so therefore, that makes a suitable argument for you to groundshare at Glasshoughton.
- Jobs will still be created - 1500 in fact, at Glasshoughton.
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| Looks like a shared stadium then.
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"Trinity have been in SL long enough to address the stadium issues - the RFL have given us enough warnings, surely.'"
Absolutely - there have been years in which this issue could have been resolved and yet we find ourselves literally down to the wire; incompetence, bordering on negligence in my view.
The statement from the club is bland and content-free; safe to say it's not meant to tell fans anything new, but is a public response to Coun Box's move to back WTW into a corner in terms of the groundshare. Worrying times, since we don't have a particularly good record of going up against Box and co.
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| That looks like the only way forward, at least for Trinity. We may find that Box & co. have actually forced us to do what's in our clubs best interests. If he is so virulantly anti-Trinity, as many on here suggest, he could easily have released the Thornes Park refusal decision before the last round of licence decisions were made, thereby getting us kicked out of SL. By waiting a few weeks to release the decision, he effectively kept us in SL.
I suppose there is nothing in principle to stop us continuing with the Newmarket project, but with the withdrawal of the WMDC land-lending agreement in September, Yorkcourt will, I assume, drop the application?
GH is hard to stomach for some/many I know, but one way to look at it is we would be playing in a superb purpose-built stadium, in Wakefield, as Trinity.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Absolutely - there have been years in which this issue could have been resolved and yet we find ourselves literally down to the wire; incompetence, bordering on negligence in my view.
The statement from the club is bland and content-free; safe to say it's not meant to tell fans anything new, but is a public response to Coun Box's move to back WTW into a corner in terms of the groundshare. Worrying times, since we don't have a particularly good record of going up against Box and co.'"
Well said
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| Reading that article and Box's comments, it seems clear that the decision is already made. What kind of feasibility study would conclude that Newmarket (no planning permission, in fact not even close , plus no funding package confirmed) is a better bet than Glasshoughton?
Why do the club not embrace this opportunity, rather than be forced into it kicking and screaming. We can make it into what we want. Jesus, we even have Cas fans saying they would go to watch Trin if there was no Cas match on. It's all a bit, dare I say it, positive.....
Surely it's easier and more profitable to get on board and actively shape the way our club evolves, rather than be tossed by the four winds in the manner we have put up with for so long?
We have to adapt or die.
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| Quote ="poppys mum"Yes it is 4 mins drive if you live at 3 lane ends and class methley as being just over the bridge.
I live at the other end of cas, it would take me much longer than 4 mins to get to methley.'"
CAS aint that big...... what a extra 5mins onto it.
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"That looks like the only way forward, at least for Trinity. We may find that Box & co. have actually forced us to do what's in our clubs best interests. If he is so virulantly anti-Trinity, as many on here suggest, he could easily have released the Thornes Park refusal decision before the last round of licence decisions were made, thereby getting us kicked out of SL. By waiting a few weeks to release the decision, he effectively kept us in SL.
I suppose there is nothing in principle to stop us continuing with the Newmarket project, but with the withdrawal of the WMDC land-lending agreement in September, Yorkcourt will, I assume, drop the application?
GH is hard to stomach for some/many I know, but one way to look at it is we would be playing in a superb purpose-built stadium, in Wakefield, as Trinity.'"
I think a challenge cup semi final saved us at that time.
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| I think the whole distance from here/there is a smokescreen. People will travel to watch Trinity. How many hard-core fans go to every home game and most away games too? I see the same faces home and away, week in week out - I cannot and do not believe they will simply stop going because it is a 4 or 5 mile drive further to Glasshoughton. The hard-core will be largely retained, plus new supporters will be drawn in by the promise of the new stadium - wasn't that one of the main plus-points to Trinity getting a new stadium? We have a chance here to increase our revenues and fanbase.
We can spin this ground share as a disaster if we wish, or we can embrace it and make it a massive success.
NGBFC - I agree, the Cup semi had some effect on keeping us up. To be honest, I had forgotten all about it - still haunted by that first 20 minutes.......
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"I think the whole distance from here/there is a smokescreen. People will travel to watch Trinity. How many hard-core fans go to every home game and most away games too? I see the same faces home and away, week in week out - I cannot and do not believe they will simply stop going because it is a 4 or 5 mile drive further to Glasshoughton. The hard-core will be largely retained, plus new supporters will be drawn in by the promise of the new stadium - wasn't that one of the main plus-points to Trinity getting a new stadium? We have a chance here to increase our revenues and fanbase.
We can spin this ground share as a disaster if we wish, or we can embrace it and make it a massive success.'"
Now you've just got to convince the other 3/4,000 Wakefield fans.
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"We can spin this ground share as a disaster if we wish, or we can embrace it and make it a massive success.'"
Also an opportunity to market the club to the areas around the new ground. Good potential to grow the fan base there.
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| They will follow the Mighty Trin, I am confident. No way are they going to sit at home when Trinity are playing in a brand spanking new stadium a few miles away. Can you imagine Derby Day.....
SBR - excellent point about the areas around/en route to the Glasshoughton site being potential for picking up new fans. There are a lot of newish housing estates in the Normanton area, for example - many of these people are relatively new to the area and have no long-term family allegiances. They might well be interested in following either club in a comfortable and well-equipped new stadium. Not to mention greater potential for commercial sponsorship/hospitality
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| Quote ="Fully"Lets face it, what is the priority? A stadium for both teams - nothing more, nothing less. Right now, at this present moment in time GH is the logical solution. I know Wakey fans won't want to hear it and I don't like saying it but it is.'"
Do you think a feasibility study will consider what looks best now, or what is actually the best long-term solution / location? Will it be swayed by (RFL) time frames when considering where to spend the best part of 20 million quid (or more) on a new stadium, with the distinct possibility that neither stadium would be ready on time anyway? I'm not being antagonistic, Fully, it's a genuine question. I don't know to what extent the RFL deadline will hold sway here.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Do you think a feasibility study will consider what looks best now, or what is actually the best long-term solution / location? Will it be swayed by (RFL) time frames when considering where to spend the best part of 20 million quid (or more) on a new stadium, with the distinct possibility that neither stadium would be ready on time anyway? I'm not being antagonistic, Fully, it's a genuine question. I don't know to what extent the RFL deadline will hold sway here.'"
I think J32 still holds the best future for both clubs, both long-term and short-term. That's not me being biased, that's just the way I see it.
Newmarket has no potential benefits for Castleford; Wakefield moving to Glasshoughton does. You can market yourselves as a "district" club rather than a city club, your fans will already have most of the facilities nearby or on site and there is no dispute over J30 anymore.
It would solve a lot of issues.
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| What does not seem to get a mention on here is the part that Leeds City Council play in the Newmarket scheme and their decision not to back the scheme.As for Glasshoughton the new link road from Wakey is already in place and travelling time is less than 10 minutes from BV.
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"I think the whole distance from here/there is a smokescreen. People will travel to watch Trinity. How many hard-core fans go to every home game and most away games too? I see the same faces home and away, week in week out - I cannot and do not believe they will simply stop going because it is a 4 or 5 mile drive further to Glasshoughton. The hard-core will be largely retained, plus new supporters will be drawn in by the promise of the new stadium - wasn't that one of the main plus-points to Trinity getting a new stadium? We have a chance here to increase our revenues and fanbase.
We can spin this ground share as a disaster if we wish, or we can embrace it and make it a massive success.
NGBFC - I agree, the Cup semi had some effect on keeping us up. To be honest, I had forgotten all about it - still haunted by that first 20 minutes.......'"
Good post but I do think Newmarket will be more logical as it is on the border. Travelling from Lupset to Newmarket is the same distance from the middle of Cas to Newmarket. Ours is private funding which the state of goverment money is terrible; so our ground must tick that box pardon the pun. I think Newmarket will be better for cas fans as we are the City and playing out of the city some Wakey fans will point blank refuse I won't but I can understand the principal. Where as playing 3 mile out of Cas the little town won't be too bad for Cas fans or it shouldnt be.
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| Quote ="The Trip"What does not seem to get a mention on here is the part that Leeds City Council play in the Newmarket scheme and their decision not to back the scheme.As for Glasshoughton the new link road from Wakey is already in place and travelling time is less than 10 minutes from BV.'"
Precisely. The transport links are solved and both councils can be happy in their situations.
Incidentally, the feasibility will take 3 weeks to complete.
And NGB4C - think you should change your name to NewgroundatthesametimeatCaswhichisdisappointingbutohwellwe'vegottoacceptit.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Good post but I do think Newmarket will be more logical as it is on the border. Travelling from Lupset to Newmarket is the same distance from the middle of Cas to Newmarket. Ours is private funding which the state of goverment money is terrible; so our ground must tick that box pardon the pun. I think Newmarket will be better for cas fans as we are the City and playing out of the city some Wakey fans will point blank refuse I won't but I can understand the principal. Where as playing 3 mile out of Cas the little town won't be too bad for Cas fans or it shouldnt be.'"
Time is not on the side of Newmarket. Franchise applications are due to be in by January ? Newmarket may not even have an approval by then. It has to be Glasshoughton
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| Quote ="Fully"Precisely. The transport links are solved and both councils can be happy in their situations.
Incidentally, the feasibility will take 3 weeks to complete.
And NGB4C - think you should change your name to NewgroundatthesametimeatCaswhichisdisappointingbutohwellwe'vegottoacceptit.'"
I'd have just used the last 3 letters myself but hey ho.
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| Now, now play nicely mate. We're all deeply hurting inside at the moment. We have to show compassion to each other.
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| Would some one tell me where the extra funding that is required for GH will come from.Why would York Court put their money into GH what do they get out of it.
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| Quote ="1948er"Would some one tell me where the extra funding that is required for GH will come from.Why would York Court put their money into GH what do they get out of it.'"
Do Yorkcourt still not own the land at Newmarket? Therefore, they'll still be able to push ahead with their own plans for there.
What do Cas/Waystone get out of moving to Newmarket having spent a lot of money on Glasshoughton? Works both ways.
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| It personally makes no difference to me where Trinity play, my concern would be, if it were to be at Glasshoughton, whose ground would it be?
If Trinity were just lodgers then, the writing would be on the wall. I can imagine a large number of Cas fans creaming themselves at the thought.
If, however, the ground was joint owned, that’s a different prospect.
But, at the end of the day, both clubs can stagger on from season to season, winning jack-all. Whilst unpalatable, a joint club is IMO is the only way to have serious ambitions to win some silverware.
I can understand Cas fans exulting the virtues of Glasshoughton, I wonder if they would go and watch a merged team there, and not one with the name Castleford in it?
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