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| Quote ="alegend"[uThis is the problem with some of the Wakefield fans [/uWe can not get rid of Mr Chester who will take over.Bet the HKR fans are happy now Tony Smith is there ,Know I would be if he was at Wakefield .Think we should use a lot of next years cash for new players to go out and get the best coach we can .Think we are seeing Mr Chester wasted the money this year. So spend it on a Coach'"
I don't think any problems at this club are down to the Wakefield fans.
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| I thought the consensus was that Chester isn't up to the job.
EG: We don't have any attacking structure,we don't have any defensive structure,Chester has lost the dressing room etc....
People have commented that we have talented players,the problem is that they aren't being coached effectively.
Therefore,no need for wholesale changes to the squad.
Find a new coach that (hopefully) can get the best out of the talent we have.
Let the new coach decide where we need to strengthen (including backroom).
We will all have opinions on where we think the key positions are that need strengthening,seems everyone agrees (even Chester himself) - we urgently need an on field General in the half backs.
Personally i would let the natural wastage (OOC and loan) run its course,but wouldn't rush into selling contracted players.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"I don't think any problems at this club are down to the Wakefield fans.'"
You are absolutely correct the chairman or whatever he’s called now and the coach have received unbelievable support from the fans
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Out of the ones leaving, Brough hasn't been replaced properly, albeit Gigot coming in.
With Kirmo and Atkins, I would say that these were two of the bigger contracts, but aren't first choice. Most centres and second rows these days, players can fill these and be utilized in both, so you may get away with only replacing one. Didn't we also bring in a second rower, and immediately send him out on loan.
Also bearing in mind that the Fifita situation is now resolved, we don't know the full resolution of this just yet. He could be getting himself back to full fitness, or he could have been released, clearing budget, cap and quota space.
There is also the Toronto situation. If it goes pear shaped for TW, could there be a firesale of players. Aren't there two front rowers there who spent time on loan with us, putting in decent shifts.
For me, the Brough part of this, player wise, is the key.'"
I don't think Brough will be on as much as you think. I'm led to believe he left with a year remaining on his Huddersfield deal and signed a lower value two year deal with us for the the longer term security but with Hudds paying him 40K on top of his wage from us during that first year. After that it was just our lower salary. It'll not be buttons but won't free up masses. LIkewise Kirmond signed up for this year on less as a player but with a coaching role with the reserves to make up the extra. Given the reserves are on hold next year due to cost cutting i imagine that cash will disappear. Don't know about Atkins but as a last hurrah in superleague deal i doubt it would have been a fortune.
Personally i'd move Fifita on. He is our biggest earner and recent events haven't shown him in the best light. If Catalans want to take his wage on and chuck a bit of money in our direction then i'd snatch their hand off. As for TJ whether he would still want to go to the NRL given his upcoming change in personal circumstances i don't know but i doubt anyone in this country can afford a decent transfer fee this year so he might stay by default. But if he does want to go then in my opinion it wouldn't be right to stop him if the deal is good for us as well.
As for the OCC players i'd move the two 30-something's on. Given he is still young for a prop i might be tempted to keep Gwaze if the price is right with a view to getting him out on loan in the championship to see how he continues to develop.
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| For me recruitment as been shocking not the standard of quality of players but the postions example we had/have 2 more than adiquit full backs but a walker signed then even though wd now have 3 gigot is signed for me those 2 signings wearnt needed
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"I thought the consensus was that Chester isn't up to the job.
EG: We don't have any attacking structure,we don't have any defensive structure,Chester has lost the dressing room etc....
People have commented that we have talented players,the problem is that they aren't being coached effectively.
Therefore,no need for wholesale changes to the squad.
Find a new coach that (hopefully) can get the best out of the talent we have.
Let the new coach decide where we need to strengthen (including backroom).
We will all have opinions on where we think the key positions are that need strengthening,seems everyone agrees (even Chester himself) - we urgently need an on field General in the half backs.
Personally i would let the natural wastage (OOC and loan) run its course,but wouldn't rush into selling contracted players.'"
No ones leading with the idea that we should sell our best players!
You’ve agreed that letting off contract players go and not yet replacing them is the right way to go also that loan agreements should expire, players go back to their parent club and we don’t replace them meaning their wages are saved.
That alone will create a bit of room for movement regarding the recruitment of some quality where it’s needed.
However, if a new Head Coach sees a high quality half back as a priority and the only way to raise the funds is to accept an offer from St George - Illawarra for TJ and Tom himself is thinking of going then the Head Coach should be the one who makes that call.
Cash in on TJ and sign Mitchell Pearce for example. Tom is a magnificent player but maybe recruiting a player like DCE, Pearce or Nikorima would be greater for the team than having a superb winger.
Like I said before, all hypothetical but let a new Head Coach have the money and make the big decisions on players in and out!
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| I don`t get the people questioning who there is outside of Chester to come in as coach, surely at this point anyone is better? We are clueless, there must be 20 experienced assistant coaches in SL that we would have the pick off - Rich Marshall, Andrew Henderson, Sheridan, Orr, Deacon, Rowley - Give them ago for the rest of the season?
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Do you actually read the posts properly before replying?
I suggested that we find ways of building a wages kitty and let the new Head Coach decide where to spend it.
As for selling Bill, I said let the new coach assess and decide on further cuts or changes
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I was joking FFS.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"I don`t get the people questioning who there is outside of Chester to come in as coach, surely at this point anyone is better? We are clueless, there must be 20 experienced assistant coaches in SL that we would have the pick off - Rich Marshall, Andrew Henderson, Sheridan, Orr, Deacon, Rowley - Give them ago for the rest of the season?'"
Question is why are they assistants and what happens if we give them a go and end up in a worse position.
You just can't make a comment like that and not think of the backlash.
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"I was joking FFS.'"
Were you, there wasn’t anything in your post that gave that away, maybe I missed something
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| Quote ="TheDreadnought"Question is why are they assistants and what happens if we give them a go and end up in a worse position.
You just can't make a comment like that and not think of the backlash.'"
Personally I wouldn’t gamble on an unproven assistant, I think this is the most crucial coaching appointment since we brought Kear in as Head Coach when we looked certain to be relegated.
We need to bring someone with proven ability and a well established methodology
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| The answer to me is pretty simple - try and bring in ward from London. Someone who can change the game plan week on week if required. Chester might try different players but plays the same game plan week on week. First 3 tackles taken in by
Wingers/full back followed by 2 inside passes to forward runners by half back/hooker. Followed by nothing really on the last tackle
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| Quote ="TheDreadnought"Question is why are they assistants and what happens if we give them a go and end up in a worse position.
You just can't make a comment like that and not think of the backlash.'"
There assistants because there young and not been given a chance yet
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| Quote ="Trinityknight"There assistants because there young and not been given a chance yet'"
Slight problem there is that some of them aren't that young......
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Slight problem there is that some of them aren't that young......'"
Doesn't matter really does it? You get assistants that will always be assistants yet a good proportion of them will go on to be successful head coaches at some point. The Aussies have some quality coaches, most of which are promoted to head coach from that assistant position, that is just a natural progression, unlike our game they tend to show some faith in the qualities they possess and really give them a chance, similar with the playing pool to be honest. Like I say we could do worse than go for an assistance that is deemed ready to take that jump (I think there are a few) or potentially even go for someone like James Ford, anyone who has watched York in his tenure know that he knows his rugby, his recruitment is consistently good and he has them well drilled with the right attitude all elements which are severely lacking at this club.
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| Ford already seems to be building his team for next year so can’t see him leaving them any time soon.
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| As from November do we not have a potential future Head Coach in Wille Poching?
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| Quote ="Redscat"As from November do we not have a potential future Head Coach in Wille Poching?'"
I don`t think Poching is Head coach material for me but who knows.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Ford already seems to be building his team for next year so can’t see him leaving them any time soon.'"
Ford also as a fantastic well paid job at York uni so to leave and go full time with us would be a big risk
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| Quote ="homme vaste"I don`t think Poching is Head coach material for me but who knows.'" poaching as been brought in to keep the natives quiet after being a fans favourite and give Chester a stay of execution
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"poaching as been brought in to keep the natives quiet after being a fans favourite and give Chester a stay of execution'"
To be fair I wouldn't want Poching to take the head coach role and ruin his playing reputation.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"There seems to now be a general consensus of opinion amongst fans that a change of coach, along probably with the conditioning staff, is required. This will obviously cost money. But any new coach is going to have their hands tied regarding recruitment in a way that Chester has not had to deal with in recent times. CC stated in his pre-match press conference that the budget available will be equal to that of 3 or 4 years ago. Depending in our finishing position and the prize money allocation linked to it, plus the outcome of the Toronto saga it may even be less than that. Especially when you throw in the rising covid issue could hit this year again. So how do we regenerate the squad with the fresh blood it desperately needs? There are very few remaining players that are off contract and we can’t afford to pay any under contract off. We know...
Leaving - Brough, Kirmond, Atkins, King.
Out of Contract - Jones-Bishop, Kopczak, Gwaze.
On a season Loan - Navarette, Tangata, Battye.
So which way do we go? Do the OCC guys deserve new deals? Do we want to sign up the on loan players? Do we have to raise funds and free budget up buy selling 2 or 3 of the crown jewels? How would you juggle it?'"
Some names to throw in the mix. The obvious ones are:
Battye
Tangata
Navarette
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And a few more likely to available:
Ben Flower
James Cunningham
Stevie Ward
Liam Sutcliffe
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Some names to throw in the mix. The obvious ones are:
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Liam Sutcliffe
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Dec Patton'"
Mullally put in a decent stint for us before. Also, if TW doesn't get allowed back in,would others become free agents. Didnt Brad Singleton go there
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Some names to throw in the mix. The obvious ones are:
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And a few more likely to available:
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No one in the bottom list would add anything to our team.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Mullally put in a decent stint for us before. Also, if TW doesn't get allowed back in,would others become free agents. Didnt Brad Singleton go there'"
Singleton has just signed for Wigan.
To be honest Mullally has seemed to go downhill in recent seasons. Leeds fans couldn’t wait to get shut of him and he’s been pretty ordinary at Toronto, even when in the championship.
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