Clearly don't watch many game because no one slips over as much as Miller

Jamie Shaul?
Zak Hardaker?
Tom Johnstone?

Wouldn’t that be because Miller tries to take on the line as aposed to hitting the defender and dropping instantly?

Shaul is still not the finished article now, most FC fans would laugh at you if you suggested he was.

Johnstone - There is not as much to a wingers game as there is a Fullbacks, so that is pretty irrelevant to this discussion. Also I still think there is some improvement in Tom so he is not the finished article yet.

And Hardarker gradually got a lot better at Leeds in the Fullback position. Don`t forget he spent a lot of his time at centre when he first joined Leeds. He also got better under Powell at Cas so no I don`t think he was a finished article at 21 either.

"Dropping instantly" as a criticism of a modern back, demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the game; in an era when a quick ptb is almost impossible to achieve, it's a common tactic to drop quickly in an attempt to either a) play it quickly or b) obtain a penalty if you're being prevented from doing so.

This scapegoating of Max Jowitt is genuinely pathetic - I would love to see some of the knee-jerk panic-mongers stand under a high ball with 40 stone of prop forwards bearing down on them, or put their body in front of Liam Watts charging at full steam; their attempts would make Richie Mathers escapology look positively Herculean.

Can someone clarify - is WakeyTrin1873 the latest iteration of that pillock I had blocked? I ask only so I can do the same to the new version. Ta

Formerly known as Trinity18.

Thank you - that's all I needed to know.

No, no and no.

All great players but, none of them was the finished article at 21.
Most players are still developing physically at that age and whilst they may be good or, very good at 21, cetainly not the finished article.
Even the very best players will look for continuous improvement throughout their careers and you could argue that nobody is ever "the finished article", let alone at 21.

Isn't that a bit pointless then?
Why call for him being played when you don't know how good he is and the coaching staff don't think he's ready yet.

Just seems like you are saying it to wind people up??? !!!!

Eh? What? I think you’re missing the point.

I do not think Jowitt is nor ever will be SL quality, removing Jowitt from the equation only brings Hooley into contention but how am I meant to know if he will be any better for us. I can only go on the comments about him since going out on loan.

Don’t see how that’s relevant? Nor would I be let off if I were to reveal any of your previous entities.

He asked the question?

Miller's running and footwork, what they call 'broken ankles' on the trendy clips of Kalyn Ponga et al in the NRL, of course leaves him prone to slipping. Much as MAx's position on the pitch does.
BOJO is just having another unnecessary pop at one of our players based on his limited TV viewing

How good is Kalyan Ponga though!? Haha

brilliant to watch

He's quality. I'm disgusted MC hasn't at least tried to sign him to be honest

Poor mans Jacob Miller

I agree. And from what I've seen and heard he'll be better than Max in the long run, but just throwing him in when he is too young/not ready is counter productive.
Max is not terrible. He's had good games and bad games. One more game won't hurt us but it might hurt Hooley. With the fan feedback he'll no doubt get for 1 mistake I'd let him have an off season and then see where our 3 fullbacks line up.

I’m afraid you’ll never get to know this week as Luke is banned so Max plays, he would for me anyway.

Got to say I watched him with a bit of added attention Sunday with him being one of our former juniors. Yes was only one game but I didn't see anything that made me sit up and say he needs a SL shot. Can never go on one game at all just think he has a bit of developing to do before being ready. Although a full season in the championship will have done wonders for him going into pre season next year id have thought

That`s fair enough but I am sure if you watched Jowitt or even Grix for that matter you would probably be saying the same.

I spoke to a player in our squad the other week who was talking about how good Grix was at organising our defence from the back, having a keen eye on numbers/overlap opportunities etc but we don`t see that from the stands though.

People so very often forget that there is more than meets the eye to a players game yet still question what they bring to the team.

And I don't want to be too critical but I've very definite mistakes from Jowitt where he has called a player to a position and got it completely wrong.
It's a Grix strength. But equally Jowitt has strengths Grix doesn't have.

But on balance when fit I'd rather have Grix's strengths.
The plan has to be to teach Jowitt and Hooley as much of that as they can take.

That is it players will do things that go unnoticed in the stands or TV on gameday and in training. For what it is worth I still think Grix has plenty to offer as long as the coach can expect one or two mistakes that he has had in him all his career the rest of the time he performs to a high level. I actually think his early performances for yourselves were very good and helped push you on from where you were at the MPG.

Max is this... Max is that ... for goodness sake he’s a young player still learning a very difficult position . Let’s afford him the games Grix has had .... and like young Walker at Leeds . Walker has made some crackers of mistakes but he’s learning from them and they are willing to give him the time to prove himself . Stop battering our young players .. Jowitt /Crowther etc and get behind them ..... you never know !!!

I think it was Eorl Crabtree, when praising Grix, referred to him as the ‘numbers man ‘ as regards his ability to organise where everyone should be in both attack and defence.

Not picking on you mate you're just the last in line on this. But did any of you watch Jake Truman on friday night? 19 years old and capable of running games so I can't wait to see him at 21. His pass to set up Minikin's try was sublime.
Just an example thats all.