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| Sorry SP but I get the impression B.Smith would have come out and said exactly what was wrong instead of some veiled attack. Also where have I said where the blame lies?.....I remarked on comments he is supposed to have made regarding funds "being cut to the bone with no heating/ coach to Featherstone." No where in my post have I said what was to blame, it is you that seems relentless in your blaming of the club .
I think I thought he was more of a professional than to finish the way he did.....yes he did persuade players to come to the club , it will be interesting to see if they are happy to stay in such a terrible place !!!!
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| Any that leave would not be unusual at Wakefield, that is one thing we are very good at loosing players not at the end but during the season.
With regards the club next time you go just look around and you will see the state it is in. We still have supporters in the east stand who thought after 4weeks they would have been able to mark the reserved seats to stop anybody just sitting in them.
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| I'm with SP on this one
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| Quote ="Jizzer""You people who love WTW or are just footy lovers need to react before it's too late for a great old club.
Yes I believe it's that serious.
Ask better questions if you want to discover the REAL TRUTH."
Maybe the better questions and 'real truth' Brian is referring to, he's already raised himself publicly many times? I'll probably get shot down for this, but he's always had alot to say in post match interviews about strange referee decisions/lopsided penalty counts, unfair fixture runs and things like that. Conspiracy, just excuses or something completely different? I suppose only he knows.'"
I think it says that he struggles to accept his own failings and lashes out to protect his own self image.
I've lost a lot of respect for him with that parting shot at the club which isn't born out of concern and is little more than bitter s4!t stirring.
The truth is more likely that his methods don't work in the modern game, an opinion that's backed by his failure at his last two NRL clubs.
The jobs too hard and will take too long for a bloke of almost 62 years old who anchors for an easier life back home in a warmer climate.
Unfortunately he can't be honest with us because he can't be honest with himself!
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| Spot on Avenger... the bloke has had his day in the game the job at this club is too hard for him and unlike at Bradford where they brought a whole load of top players in and got into heavy debt that a few years down the line would cost them big time Carter wont let that happen here and its sour grapes because of it
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| I was all for the appointment of Brian Smith. I didn't expect miracles just keeping us in superleagued last season and an improvement in the defence this season. . Walking away after 5 games is the action of a coward. Refusing to give proper reasons to the supporters for leaving is equally despicable. Posting a cryptic message on Facebook saying supporters should ask better questions is malicious and the action of someone who not only has no feeling for the club but is also actively trying to destabilise the club. I am no supporter of MC. I think he treats's the supporters with contempt at times but I don't think he is to blame for Smith leaving. If BS knows different now he is back in Oz he should tell us what he meant that Facebook message. On another note. Who was the CEO who rang MC before BS had resigned?. Brian's brother r obviously knew he was jumping ship so it must have been the CEO of Warrington hoping to offload a certain assistant coach well known to supporters of this club. Let's hope MC tells them were to go.
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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"I was all for the appointment of Brian Smith. I didn't expect miracles just keeping us in superleagued last season and an improvement in the defence this season. . Walking away after 5 games is the action of a coward. Refusing to give proper reasons to the supporters for leaving is equally despicable. Posting a cryptic message on Facebook saying supporters should ask better questions is malicious and the action of someone who not only has no feeling for the club but is also actively trying to destabilise the club. I am no supporter of MC. I think he treats's the supporters with contempt at times but I don't think he is to blame for Smith leaving. If BS knows different now he is back in Oz he should tell us what he meant that Facebook message. On another note. Who was the CEO who rang MC before BS had resigned?. Brian's brother r obviously knew he was jumping ship so it must have been the CEO of Warrington hoping to offload a certain assistant coach well known to supporters of this club. Let's hope MC tells them were to go.'"
I don't think you need to be throwing words around like that. You've made your point. Ease up on the vitriol from now on please.
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| Brian smiths second comment he's left on Facebook is interesting. Seems to be hinting at a bad attitude and real negativity from i would assume MC. Strange one, after hearing them both talk, as a neutral I think they both make valid points. A real shame that things got so frosty that they couldn't talk through their gripes with one another. Smith has been around the block a few times and mc with all due respect is pretty new to league. Could Smith have shown a bit more patience? Could MC have shown more positivity? Smith should be respected or what he did last year in keeping wakey up because heading into June last year wakey didn't look like they'd reach the MPG let alone win it. The next move MC makes could make or break the next decade for WTW. So it's kinda strange to hear he wants a fast appointment.
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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"I was all for the appointment of Brian Smith. I didn't expect miracles just keeping us in superleagued last season and an improvement in the defence this season. . Walking away after 5 games is the action of a coward. Refusing to give proper reasons to the supporters for leaving is equally despicable. Posting a cryptic message on Facebook saying supporters should ask better questions is malicious and the action of someone who not only has no feeling for the club but is also actively trying to destabilise the club. I am no supporter of MC. I think he treats's the supporters with contempt at times but I don't think he is to blame for Smith leaving. If BS knows different now he is back in Oz he should tell us what he meant that Facebook message. On another note. Who was the CEO who rang MC before BS had resigned?. Brian's brother r obviously knew he was jumping ship so it must have been the CEO of Warrington hoping to offload a certain assistant coach well known to supporters of this club. Let's hope MC tells them were to go.'"
As i understand it wasn't Warringtons CEO who made contact.
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| Who do you understand it was then?
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| Quote ="PopTart"I'm with SP on this one'"
I'm not!
I think Brian smith up until the point he posted on face book was being professional . However I think he let himself down by posting cryptic messages for us all to mull over. he could of released a press release statement confirming his frosty relationship with MC. And that things had not worked out as hoped etc etc etc.. He then should of either kept quiet or come out and told us all how serious it all actually is!!!! If it's all as bad as he thinks!!
As for central heating gate... I do get the concept of looking after the players but with the situation we are in cut backs are inevitable and have to be made somewhere... Had trinity been 3 wins 2 loses nobody would of given a stuff about heating costs!!
I think he did some good stuff smithy, but feel the cryptic stuff let him down somewhat and was more about poking Carter in the eye than giving us fans the heads up on what's happening!!
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| Quote ="chissitt"Who do you understand it was then?'"
Won't be long before everybody will be able to work it out for themselves.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Who do you understand it was then?'"
I'm told it was the Huddersfield CEO and apparently it's a well known fact that their assistant coach applies for every Super League head coach job that comes up!
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| Quote ="Towns88"Brian smiths second comment he's left on Facebook is interesting. Seems to be hinting at a bad attitude and real negativity from i would assume MC. Strange one, after hearing them both talk, as a neutral I think they both make valid points. A real shame that things got so frosty that they couldn't talk through their gripes with one another. Smith has been around the block a few times and mc with all due respect is pretty new to league. Could Smith have shown a bit more patience? Could MC have shown more positivity? Smith should be respected or what he did last year in keeping wakey up because heading into June last year wakey didn't look like they'd reach the MPG let alone win it. The next move MC makes could make or break the
next decade for WTW. So it's kinda strange to hear he wants a fast appointment.'"
I think this is fair comment both seem to have been a little childish on the face of it, or probably just one of them I don't know.
I do understand the need to make an appointment fairly quickly because the new coach has to make his stamp on the team and very soon we need to start winning games. I don't want to be anywhere near another MPG.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Won't be long before everybody will be able to work it out for themselves.'"
I can understand Mr Gill ringing him up and the conversation going something like, Michael it's Steve here we need to free up a bit of cap space so if you take another one of our players off our hands I'll let you into a secret that your coach has quit, the only possible link to it is one of our ex Cas players told him prior to Smith telling Mr Carter. Apologies if I'm a mile off but it's the best I've got
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| Well Chiss - they are big golf buddies so I suppose it could be right. You'll probably end up with Ryan Boyle.
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| Although things like dressing room heating and coaches, etc, seem like small things, but it must have seemed at times like they were playing for a club a couple of divisions below. If you are going to treat players like part-time park players, they will think like them, and for what financial saving?
I'm not into mollycoddling players, but we've all been in jobs probably where things happen that affect morale, and all been in jobs where you've had fun and felt highly-regarded. One produces good results, the other doesn't. The heating of a dressing room shouldn't come under the expense category of "heating" but "morale", and that can win or lose a game.
Yes, balance the books, but think of the real cost of things, not just the number in a column.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Well Chiss - they are big golf buddies so I suppose it could be right. You'll probably end up with Ryan Boyle.'"
It would seem my sarcastic attempt at humour went straight over your head
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| Quote ="chissitt"icon_biggrin.gifOH: It would seem my sarcastic attempt at humour went straight over your head
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Although things like dressing room heating and coaches, etc, seem like small things, but it must have seemed at times like they were playing for a club a couple of divisions below. If you are going to treat players like part-time park players, they will think like them, and for what financial saving?
I'm not into mollycoddling players, but we've all been in jobs probably where things happen that affect morale, and all been in jobs where you've had fun and felt highly-regarded. One produces good results, the other doesn't. The heating of a dressing room shouldn't come under the expense category of "heating" but "morale", and that can win or lose a game.
Yes, balance the books, but think of the real cost of things, not just the number in a column.'"
They get paid Super League wages so if something as trivial as the temperature of the changing rooms makes them play like players from Championship 1 maybe they should hand their salaries back as well!
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| I was all for the appointment of Brian Smith. I didn't expect miracles just keeping us in superleagued last season and an improvement in the defence this season. . Walking away after 5 games is mildly disappointing . Refusing to give proper reasons to the supporters for leaving is equally disappointing . Posting a cryptic message on Facebook saying supporters should ask better questions is rather silly and the action of someone who has liitle feeling for the club but is also actively trying to cause a slight stir. I am no supporter of MC. I think he treats's the supporters with a lack of consideration at times but I don't think he is to blame for Smith leaving. If BS knows different now he is back in Oz he should tell us what he meant that Facebook message.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Although things like dressing room heating and coaches, etc, seem like small things, but it must have seemed at times like they were playing for a club a couple of divisions below. If you are going to treat players like part-time park players, they will think like them, and for what financial saving?
I'm not into mollycoddling players, but we've all been in jobs probably where things happen that affect morale, and all been in jobs where you've had fun and felt highly-regarded. One produces good results, the other doesn't. The heating of a dressing room shouldn't come under the expense category of "heating" but "morale", and that can win or lose a game.
Yes, balance the books, but think of the real cost of things, not just the number in a column.'"
Totally agree slugger, the players are the clubs biggest (only?) assets surely you need to look after them like they are royalty as much as you can? Pizza anyone?...
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Although things like dressing room heating and coaches, etc, seem like small things, but it must have seemed at times like they were playing for a club a couple of divisions below. If you are going to treat players like part-time park players, they will think like them, and for what financial saving?
I'm not into mollycoddling players, but we've all been in jobs probably where things happen that affect morale, and all been in jobs where you've had fun and felt highly-regarded. One produces good results, the other doesn't. The heating of a dressing room shouldn't come under the expense category of "heating" but "morale", and that can win or lose a game.
Yes, balance the books, but think of the real cost of things, not just the number in a column.'"
You really are in a pickle if theres any truth in this.
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| I have a question for those who question the moral fibre of Smith. In the entire SL how many coaches have resigned their position part way through a season in the last three years. I can say we have three in the last two full seasons. We either just employ unsuitable coaches or we have a problem elsewhere.
I wait the numbers with interest to see how we compare.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"They get paid Super League wages so if something as trivial as the temperature of the changing rooms makes them play like players from Championship 1 maybe they should hand their salaries back as well!'"
That's like saying if my employer didn't give me a good enough laptop to do my job I should buy it myself as they give me a decent wage.
They are not playing for fun. They are professional players and should be treated that way..
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