Easy - Danny Kirmond. I would swap him for Weller Hauraki anyday.

Excellent post mate. I agree with this. Moore was pick of the forwards once again. I thought Riley tried his heart out for a loan player. Fox on the wing would have been a far better choice than Mathers? What grounds is Mathers been picked on here? Kirmond worked very hard why bring him back on when the game was gone, had a possible fracture for god sake. Sammut and Godinet halfs its not rocket science. Seaker not done it for me he looks ok but ok will not win us games.

I don't think that any other Wakefield player was close to being good enough on Sunday.
Hopefully, your bubble will have burst by the time we play at your place and we can gain some revenge

That is a very honest and fair assessment IMO. Your summary of players to be dropped is spot on. Collis was poor, Fairbank no better than what we have - on loan etc - and Smith needs to find his game again. Hope Matt Ryan is fit again.

Mathers was beaten by Carney, but it was not his choice to play there!

Cas have become very good at winning the ruck - I don't like the tactic, but it's the modern way; we are one of the few teams left who don't put 3 men in, sprawl all over the ruck and keep in contact with the tackled player right up until the point the ball is played.

In defence, we don't fight for our fronts (with some exceptions - Richard Moore being good at it, presumably having learnt at Leeds) and we don't thrash around trying to milk the penalty; nor do we step off the mark to play the ball, putting the markers off-side.

I lost count of how many times I heard the ref shout 'Quicker' or 'get your hands off the ball' to Cas players, but it went largely unpunished; why don't we do that?

This for me is the biggest cause of all our problems summed up in one post and a shortened version of what I was trying to say. It looks like we don't coach the forwards to do what has to be done in the modern game. Time and again we had 1 or 2 men in the tackle and because of the aggression Cas forwards ran it in, they got up quickly and got a roll on. It was everything we did not do and it set the platform for their backs (who aren't exactly world-beaters.)

So you wouldn't swap Collis for Webster, McShane for Milner, Tautai for Mariano, Godinet for Ellis, Sammut for Finn, Scruton for Wheeldon!
Are you seriously saying that if Lauitiiti was a Cas player you wouldn't have him in your 17

Don't mistake you're being a very good team for having man for man the better players!

Don't shoot me down and forgive me for defending a Cas fan, but he wasn't saying any of the above?

No shooting from me, fair enough

Thanks Adam. In my defence, here goes:-

1.Collis for Webster. No. In case you have'nt noticed Webster is more of a 2nd rower these days. You should have Said Shenton. Still no. Collis on Sunday was very poor.

2. McShane for Milner - 50/50 call that one but once again you have'nt choosen the correct Tigers player. McShane been WTW first choice hooker should be paired with Daz Clark who wins hands down in a match-up with McShane. I like McShane though and if Clark goes would like to see share the duties with Milner.

3. Tautai for Mariano - lets put it this way - I know who I would pick. Frankie has been superb for us this season. Tautai has hardly played. Mariano is also another bench player.

4. Godinet for Ellis - I'll give you that one but once again must point out to you that you are pairing up one of your starting players (he should be anyway) with a Tigers squad player at best. Sneyd maybe a better choice ?

5. Sammutt for Finn - Isn't Sammutt a full-back ? Finn plays scrum-half for Tigers.

6. Scruton for Wheeldon - Try Huby or Lynch for starters, but watching Scruton I probably would take Wheeldon anyway. Scuton looks like the most dis-interested player in the team.

Oh - I forgot about Lauitiiti. Yes I would have him in the Tigers team but it looks like his playing days are over unfortunately. He is undoubtedly WTW's main threat near the line and like Carney - most of the time he is unstoppable. A great player.

Dan smith looked to be carrying an injury to me.

Websters been starting at Right centre which is Collis's position and I'm not just judging on Sundays game.

Milners a hooker so is McShane

Having watched Mariano for more than 2 seasons and Tautai for 1 I'd pick TT everytime

4.No argument

Sammuts a half back and so is Ellis

You'd be mad to pick Wheeldon over Scruton IMO but I respect your choice

This was about how many players from the Wakefield squad would force their way into the Cas squad, Kirmond already accepted I'm just pointing out that there's quite a few more.

The argument about players is largely redundant; man for man, the majority of our players are of the same or similar quality and ability, with some exceptions that have already been pointed out.

The real difference between the two sides is coaching - plain and simple; Powell has taken the Cas squad and instilled something in them that allows them to deliver more than the sum of their parts. It's great that he's back in SL and I hope we can achieve something similar - it's the only way to ensure that a team on a budget can challenge the established big money teams.

Powells done a great job , and in many respects he s turned the club round. It goes to prove you can bring a group of players together and form them in to a well drilled unit , and players that want it for each other. RLs a simple game and shouldn't be tinkered with , the basics and desire will normally provide a wining formula.
The team as a group perform well together, recruitments played a major part in the process.

Spot on, its not and never will be rocket science.
Powell is not a miracle worker he's just honest with the players and expects the same from them.
That's half the battle imo.

On the money.

Agreed.

However what makes it even worse is when it comes to players who are at least theoretically more skill full we may have a slight edge - but unless you can harness that whats the point. Before Cas fans have a pop Ali, Godinet, Sammut and Seijka are marginally better on paper though clearly not on grass.

Yet those who know the game know it's never just about names it's about attitude and ticker and seeing whats really there.

Some month back there was talk about us signing Liam Finn which was roundly dismissed by the snobs on here. Me (and it's on record) I was praying we signed him. We didn't and Cas now have a seasoned, committed and as all must finally accept a skilled SL player. Not NRL, not a fancy dan and perhaps horror of horrors prone to be a bit tubby - oh and I forgot a bit slow. Yet he steers the Cas team around the park in a quiet but assured manner.

Until we as fans and club drop our obsession with the Ausse quick fix we will never grow as a club. You need local heroes, club men as a base of your team - without them there is no real team spirit in the truest sense.

Cas are not as stated player for player that good but as a team that's a different matter. Funny thing is under Kera we were, yes he was flawed but as I stated a few years back the Kear era (apart from the last season) will look like a golden era compared to the Agar years and for me that's already happened.

Hand on heart when Kear was here I bet you looked forward to most games even if some disappointed - can you say that now?

Not suggesting the return of Kear, that boat has sailed. It's not even that Agar is that bad a coach i patches and of course the state of the club hasn't helped. It's not even our league position that bothers me it's the manner of how we got there. The ludicrous selection policy alone tells you we have a coach who has simply lost it.

Anderson needs resigning for another year.

Without being able to see games live... Eurosport have taken to showing many games in replay here... I would hypothesise that you are correct.

The sad thing for me was reading Agar's post match comments... For the head coach to 'hope' things turn around, well that's a beaten man talking. Our team seems to take to the field with a negative, defeatist work ethic... They lack belief in themselves and the cause.

Powell is a great leader and strategist, and is capable of getting his team to do what he wants... Very impressed with him.

Our team needs just that.. Richard has great knowledge and intellect... Two very important coaching tools... But not enough... The club needs to find a leader of men.

The Cas players themselves give Danny Orr a lot of credit for the turnaround. Apparently Marc Sneyd has said most of his improvement this season is down to Danny.

Good point.

On your last point I think Agar needs help, the sort of help Steve Ferres gave Andy Kelly and John Kear - coincidentally two of our better spells in SL.

Whats he up to these days, I'd prefer him to Kath. Problem is would Agars ego be able to tale it.

Isn't he at Bradford?

Yep, part of the team brought in by the new owner.