I would expect his contract like most coaches will have some clauses in relating to performance so I doubt it would cost hundreds of thousands to get rid of him.

My take on it is, it's more to do with the fact that in the games we have won and those we have lost, there have been some constants, these being :-

(1) Poor marker defence allowing opposition easy yards from dummy half

(2) Failure to tackle round the legs allowing easy extra metres to be made

(3) Failure to move up in the defensive line and meet the opposition (stood waiting from them) thus making it harder to tackle them as they have built up momentum

(4) Inability to defend crossfield kicks

(5) Poor kicking game

(6) Strange use of the interchange bench

These factors have all contributed to us conceding over 30 points in 5 of our games, making it nigh on impossible to win them.

My frustration is that whilst up until the London game we did appear to be making some progress, these issues where still there and are factors which the coach should be addressing in training and/or replacing players who are unable to learn the lessons, with those who are performing well in the U20's. Agar seems to have done neither so far.

The last 2 performances have also seen an alarming dip in performance from a number of players as well as a distinct lack of the team spirit that has been evident previously. Again, the coaches job is to look at what reasons there are for the change in these areas and seek to address them. Unfortunately, I don't have any confidence that Agar is capable of doing so.

Your 6 points make familiar reading, especially numero 6..
The man mind boggled everyone with his interchanges 2 mins before half time.
Unfortunately you are stuck with him for the foreseeable future.
I read earlier in the thread someone hitting on your team being much improved (on paper) and I have to agree, but he's a fantastic coach at training rugby out of people.. this year our underperformers of last season are like new players this season.
You have come through hard times so this will be a walk in the park for you dealing with him, but be prepared for 3 seasons of boredom and buck passing.

I think I concur with all of the above.
My big moan really is that 'old fashioned coaches' -if I can put it that way-picked a team of form players, not constantly picking the same players who were clearly struggling to find form. They were not afraid to drop names and even the mighty Neil Fox in his younger days found himself being dropped due to lack of form. Isaac John and Steve Southern have not yet, in my opinion proved themselves to be any better than players we already have. Big Frankie was making breaks last year I haven't seen SS make one yet! I'm not writing these players off mark you but the whole business of a large squad is not just to cover for injuries but to create pressure on those not performing. Some players are immune regardless of their performance. In past days they would have been playing reserve football until they regained their form AND desire to perform!

I can not believe AG gave Mr Agar a 3yr deal without it been performance related. that would be financial suicide.

Get rid of this over rated clown NOW.

We have a fantastic squad of players but no one to coach them.

AGAR,AGAR,OUT,OUT,OUT,
AGAR,AGAR,OUT,OUT,OUT,
AGAR,AGAR,OUT,OUT,OUT,
AGAR,AGAR,OUT,OUT,OUT,
AGAR,AGAR,OUT,OUT,OUT,

How the hell do you coach rugby out of someone. What an idiotic statement.

Are we seriously saying that we think Agar is coaching them to not catch the ball?
Seriously?

And the reason he keeps playing the same team is because the biggest issue is they are new to each other and need time. Won't help if you just keep changing the team.
I'm all for changes, but not for the sake of it.

I've kept out of this so far as I'm sure the very last thing anyone wants is Hull fans coming on here saying 'we told you so' and TBH you've had more than enough of them in any case. However, a couple of posts on here have been so eerily familiar that I felt compelled to comment.

Your arguments above are identical to those used by many Hull fans - myself included - who defended Agar during his early months at our club. When the exact same things happen at two different clubs you have to ask yourself where the common factor is.

Under Agar we showed the [iexact same[/i weaknesses and issues that you are now. Poor basic skills, poor defence, inexplicable interchanges, the same under-performing players picked week after week, etc. I'm afraid that this is down to his coaching.

Unlike a lot of Hull fans I hold no personal dislike of Agar (although I came close during the last few months of his reign) but I believe him to be a decent bloke promoted beyond his ability. He's a good assistant but hopeless as head coach.

Touchy???
Idiotic?, given the bile we had endure watching during his time in charge its hardly idiotic.
Just like kosh I was willing to give him his chance. All we ever got was 'wait til e builds his own team', and we have had some decent players who imo haven't played to the best of there ability.
AND imo it did feel like he had managed to coach it out of them.
No plan b, boring rugby that other teams didn't need to take much to figure out..
'Right lads they will go up the middle with a very poor kick on the last'.
Treated the young ones like and blamed players (ie sharp) for his bad gameplans.
I can still remember the relief when it was announced he was leaving and imo again it seems like it hasn't taking long for some of your own fans to start seeing his worthlessness.
For your sake tho I hope I'm wrong.

Last season with a team of young lads, cast offs and has beens. Kear achieved 7 wins 4 against sides that made the play offs. If Agar achieves the same with double the wage bill is that progress?

The team are not bad players if we went bust everyone of them would get a sl contract, they are just coached badly. My view is that Agar is not the man for the job regardless of how many games played.

He seems to have no real charisma. Which is a must for a derby game !

Agar is on a 3 year contract.

He should be given another 6 games to turn it around and show what coaching ability he has got regardless of Hull FC fans input, that was a different set up.

If the poor performances continue after the end of this period then he must go.

Absolutely and unequivocally not the case.

You know this how? Are you seriously suggesting that the likes of Aiton, Collis and southern have come over for chicken feed? And the rest are on the same as last years squad?

We are spending around 50% more though are we not? Still a very sizeable increase.

I'll say the same as I did when he came, see where we are at the end of the season and take a look at the losses, tactics, style of play and how he's used the youth during the year, as any of them improved etc and take it from there. At the moment this is all a complete knee jerk reaction imo, it's only 2 games ago most thought there was genuine improvements.

No - we're not as good as some people wish we were, but we're about as good as we have a right to be, given the lead-in to this season we had and the players we were able to pick up.

Most people had quite reasonable expectations for this season prior to it starting - it was always going to be a transitional year, where off-field developments were more important than results and where the Head Coach would be trying to create a team from a group of players signed by the CEO in a panic-buying exercise, which he then bolstered with a couple of gems, Paul Aiton being the stand-out.

A lot of that common sense now appears to have gone out the window and some people have morphed into Hull fans; I can accept that kind of bitterness and disillusionment from people after 2 or 3 years, but after a handful of games, it's just stupid. In my opinion, of course.

Look at the league table now and the for and against. We have 168 for and 278 against, I appreciate we have played one game less than most. Yet there is only Widnes who have also scored less than 200 and only 5 teams with a worst defence against. Our defence started well early in the season but has completely gone to pot now. Without the ability to score many points we are in real trouble. Either man up in defence, or improve attacking style significantly if not both.

Defence wins games and TBH our defence aint that bad despite what is being said, we just need to use possession better than we are, stop trying to drive the ball up the middle and use our hookers more/better, we are a bit predictable at the moment, something that we weren't in the first half against Catalans, the season opener at Widnes and the pre-season game against Cas.
Not sure what’s gone wrong, seems Agar has reverted back to Kear style rugby (4 or 5 drives then a kick) rather than spreading the ball about and using possession rather than giving it up so easily.

Our midfield defence is one of the best in SL but our goal line defence is probably the worst I've ever seen from any SL side. We can't catch or slide.

If we sought out our line defence and attack and we have a good side but that's probably 50% of our game to rectify. Sometimes poor form can come overnight so hopefully it will go the other way for once and 1 good game next time will be the catalyst for more.

You clearly haven't been to many games !

No not really, probably only go to around 100 games of RL every year and I'm over 40 and been watching the game since I was 8 or 9 and have coached successful sides so yeah you're probably right and you know far more than me as your previous posts and history on these forums quite clearly demonstrate your superior and objective knowledge not to mention your subjective literary skills and communication acumen

Agree and said it at the time, we had a good defense right up to the London game, except that silly second half against Bradford, it was one of the notable things along with fitness most people spoke about att.

The passing was quite slick and the defence was of good quality. We closed players running laterally down quickly.

These two parts of our game also have been missing of late. Need to regather some of that form and confidence and quick.

To be fair mate the written word on these forums can maybe be misinterpreted to what is actually meant.
I agree you will get Hull fans coming on here to wind you up,but I firmly believe a lot of us are actually batting for you.Mention Agar and we are accused of trolling,as Kosh pointed out its like deja vu on here.Before anybody accuses me of coming on here to gloat,may I point out I like to peruse other forums.
I also have stated before I have no axe to grind with Wakey,just passing comments on a forum.