It is, in fact, libel. I expect MC has better things to do than pursue it but I'd love to see one of the people throwing this stuff around get something to think about, personally

Yes but they are always careful to say "I heard it from a reliable source'. Not impossible but harder to challenge.
Source never revealed.

Cowardly in my opinion.

If people were to reveal their sources the it would come back on the source so people are right not to.

I have not seen the MC reply but can someone explain if we took the pandemic loan given to the RFL clubs. I was under the impression we hadn’t and made a virtue of not doing so. I don’t remember seeing any mention that this had changed but I could just of missed it depending on the media used.

I agree.....unless it turned out that source was lying. Then they should take responsibility.

Or more likely, they are the source themselves and tried to hide behind it.

He says in the article that we did.
He originally said in 2020 that we wouldn't and would try and cut costs appropriately and use the furlough scheme as much as possible.
The problem is furlough didn't last forever and covid did so we had to go back to the loan scheme.
I think I remember JM mentioning that in one of the Shareholder meetings but I didn't take notes so can't really guarantee that.
Either way, we didn't originally, we did eventually.

Any more progress on the takeover?

When did he say the directors loans hadn't been discussed - the below is from the article:

However, Carter defended the prospect of the new owners taking on the debt, citing the financial value of a redeveloped Belle Vue as a much bigger value than any loan, with Trinity largely sustainable as a business in general.
“There’s now an asset there valued at £10million,” he said.
“The asset outweighs the liability of the loan and even if you flattened it and put houses on there – which I’m not advocating, of course – it would still outweigh it. So all this talk of ‘Michael Carter wants them to take the debt’.. well obviously, I want them to take the debt because they’re getting a significantly better asset with it.
“The loan to the Government for the Covid stuff, that’s been divulged and there’s no issue with that. Then there’s my directors loans. Other than that, the club has nothing in the balance sheet that warrants any sort of worry to a potential new owner. We absolutely want this to go ahead.”

Obviously the bits that aren't in speech bubbles are from the journalist.

However he clearly say "Then theres my directors loans"

Outside the council loan, the directors loans are the highest debt we have, no takeover talks are going to to take place and them not be brought up / discussed etc. If he was honouring his word, of him 'abolsulety not bothered about them" then there would only need to be a 2 min discussion along the lines of, they will be wiped. If he was wiping them, surely he would have said so in this interview ? He also doesn't mention if JM has any directors loans or his position, but as yet JM hasn't made any bold brash interviews saying hes not bothered about his.

He doesnt mention the "£200K' rent , however is it beyond the wildest possibilities that this idea was floated in any talks ? That the the stadium to be transferred and run by a stadium management company, and rent this to the club / Wakey FC etc ? If so, you would assume that the council loan would also be transferred to the same management company. Stadium Management companies are pretty common thing.

1) Yes, but has he not said before that he would not seek repayment of the loans he made?
2) What is to discuss, if you are not wanting them repaid.
3) See no1 - also because it would damage the clubs chance of being took over and/or finances going forward depending on the repayment terms sought.

Point 2 is bang on the money - its a 60 second statement to Ellis - I dont want my directors loans back - like he said in his podcast interview.

Glover afforded Carter the luxury of wiping his directors loans when Carter inherited the club.

It really isn't and you know it.
Lots of legal steps to go through to decide how loans are handled.
Does it stay as a loan with Carter a creditor or just written off, etc

But why can't he just change his mind. Maybe hus circumstances have changed.
Or maybe he is waiving his loam and just decided you aren't the first person he's telling.
I'm sure your source will clarify.

But it actually is that simple, if thats what hes doing.

Which one is it, they havent been discussed yet (your original defence of this for MC) or he has changed his mind (your new defence)

Dont think its a matter of 'changing his mind', he never intended to wipe them, he just let his mouth run overtime when on the podcast.

If only they had realised it, MC and JM could have involved M V in the business sale and all would be sweet as a nut.
What a missed chance.

Not my defense. They are his words.
But to clarify, at time of writing they hadn't been discussed. But he is allowed at any time to change his mind.

I have to confess I can't read his mind like you can but either way, can't see why it's a problem to you.

This is the 2nd time I have asked you to show me when he said they hadn't been discussed. I have read that interview 5 times now, and nowhere does MC say that.

Your the one saying he could have changed his mind.

I missed your other post.
So clarify again your point that Carter is blocking the takeover because he's wanting £200k rent for the stadium?

Sorry boss. Will jump straight on that.

You've read this 5 times???

"while Carter and Minards’ directors loans are also part of the equation, though no firm talks have taken place on the latter yet."

Thats what the journalist typed, not a quote from MC. If a debt of £1.2m hasnt been discussed, then we are million miles away from this takeover, take away the council debt, this is our highest debt.

This is what he as in MC said, and not the journalist

“The loan to the Government for the Covid stuff, that’s been divulged and there’s no issue with that. Then there’s my directors loans. Other than that, the club has nothing in the balance sheet that warrants any sort of worry to a potential new owner. We absolutely want this to go ahead.”


So for the 3rd time, show me where MC said they hadn't been discussed?

And that's their starting point. They haven't gone through due diligence yet, so all this is still to be finalised.

And the bit you quote is an explanation of what's in the balance sheet. He says there's nothing gor a buyer to worry about. He doesn't say one way or the other whether he will waive it.
The article isn't just a transcript of an interview. The reporter writes what he discussed.

Why am I having to explain your own posts?

You are just completely blinded by your vendetta.

....and what about your accusation of rent holding up the deal? £200k? Did your source clear that up?

you may aswell have a conversation with a block of concrete, no one is allowed an opinion on mc jm or the club, no one knows anything and we're all liars but the messiahs word is gospel. Carter puppet by the looks of things and controlled by the club
We know the truth about the rent and the loans and all the other shenanigans.

So your guessing and filling in the blanks of what MC may or may not have said to the journalist. Point proved.

When did he say he changed his mind, or are you admitting that was you?

It wasnt my accusation, it was what I got told, it may turn out to be true. Why are you so hung up on this? If they havent even discussed the £1.2m loans as you keep harping on about , then the takeover is miles away - however I think we all know the loans have been discussed. As I put in one of my previous posts, its certainly a possibility that a Stadium Management company could own / run the stadium, and rents this to the club, the football club etc, its a real common set up in Stadia management / ownership.

So neither of you want to back your claims up about the rent then? Even though "You know"

And if your 'opinions' are defamatory towards someone, you are 1) going to be challenged to say why and 2) likely to be stopped from posting them on here

Why are you so hung up on this subject ? Why is to so important to you that you deviate away from the things you have made up to keep coming back to this point.

My opinions on here, how have they been defamatory? I have quoted directly what he said, not filled in any blanks, not assumed or made things up, unlike you - pot calling kettle black eh?

Also, whilst talking about defamatory, I have been called a 'physcopath', associated with and other posters called 'Normanton mafia bully boys', you didn't jump up and down crying saying any of that was defamatory did you? You yourself even made up, I had a go at Lewis Murphys girlfriend, when I said show me, yet again, you crawled back under your stone as you couldn't back it up, as it was another bare faced pop tart lie.

I said why can't he change his mind. I don't know the guy.

And you've changed from 'heard from a reliable source' to
"May be true" "its possible"

I'm calling you out as making things up just because you don't like Carter. You say yourself Minards hasn't said anything but seem to now lump them together.

Enough people are challenging you on Facebook now thank goodness.
You have shown absolutely no basis for any of your claims, except 'it was what I got told'. Unless you can quote someone who actually knows, it could have been a discussion between you and Mopsey for all we know.

And 'I am hung up on it' because you are saying things that are damaging to my club and the directors of the club and make things look worse than they are.
We should be celebrating the possibility of a takeover but we are all having to wade through all the misinformation which causes doubt when there isn't anything to discuss yet.

Actually, I sincerely apologise Mark Voakes. It wasn't you that comment on the Facebook thread about Murphy to his girlfriend. I just checked.
I was absolutely wrong saying that.

Apology accepted, On this occasion I wont pursue defamation of character on this matter.