I don't think we have the funding to build the stadium, although the deals with Metrel and Probiz do have stadium naming rights included, but I wouldn't expect this to be into the millions.
We are nowhere near home and dry. We have been led up the garden path before, and I think we are being now. It's just that your garden path has led to the edge of the cliff already, whereas ours seems to be a bit longer.

I'm sure we have not got the full funding at the moment, and it could all go wrong for us but I all I can do is hope we are safe.

Unfortunately for you it's been a gamble your BOD took (egged on by others who had other motives) and it looks like they have lost.

Cost of the stadium.

The clubs statement today should have mentioned plan B to keep things positive.

Good post!

Does it matter who's to blame for this situation? The fact is we're in this mess and, as supporters, our support is more important han ever. Next season is our last at BV and I'll be at as many games as possible to see the old place off in style - I hope it's packed every match. And wouldn't it be great if we turned over a few of the of the teams whose smug / arrogant / downright pig 5h1t thick supporters have given us grief over the last 12 months. Wouldn't it be even better if we finished in a reasonable position - above some of the so called superior teams in SL. And then, wherever we're playing in 2012, and in which ever league, surely we're all still Wakefield Trinity supporters. We need to get behind the team not desert it just because (if) we're not in SL. I'm staying strong, staying positive and keeping on supporting my team, the team my dad supported, the team my great granddad played for. Come on the Trin!!

I wouldn't be so sure. Let us assume that apart from the stadium issue, we both tick more or less the same amount of boxes. If we then look at the stadium issue as what goes on top of that, which will the RFL prefer:
1. A Super League quality stadium, as part of the Plan B that the RFL wanted last time, in a county with no current Super League presence, with a fully-funded Newmarket development still a likely outcome; or,
2. Castleford in exactly the same place as they were, with fines for crowd trouble and homophobia.

I would put our bid above a Cas bid. We have to remember that the RFL look at all of this in very different terms to fans, and they might just see a glossy stadium for Wakey, even if it is sharing with a football club. On paper, with a move to the Plan B, I think our application is better. Why is a Wakey application, based on a Super League quality stadium, worse than Cas's bid, as things stand at the moment?

If Cas get the funding and start building, I would have to concede defeat, but I wouldn't get too cocky just yet if I was a Cas fan, and I wouldn't get too pessimistic if I was a Wakey fan (although the mood of the day is gloomy).

Point 1 - The RFL have been down that road with you before at Barnsley. At the time off application (March?) and award (July?), even if they felt you had funding for 2 stadiums, there will be no guarantee of one being built as Wakey will still be going through the planning process, that's providing of course Yourcourt have not cut their losses and called it a day.

Point 2 - Cas will have full approval and [umay[/u even have started some construction. As for the rest if they can prove certain systems are in place I see no problem. The club has been punished once.

Yes, but you would have to prove that you can deliver the stadium you have planning permission for? Cas know they need full planning permission before they can realistically include it in an application, but won't they have to prove that they can deliver it, as the planning permission could be seen as just a smokescreen to hopefully buy you another three years in which to build it. Whereas Wakey's application would be based, I assume, on a tenancy agreement to play at a stadium that is already built and would fulfil the quality criteria.

I'm not saying that things look great, but it is too tempting to think that all is doomed on the Wakey front, and all is rosy on the Cas side. On paper, the Wakey application would be better, as it would be based on a stadium that is already built, and we all know how the RFL like things to look good on paper, rather than reality.

There's a lot of water to travel under both bridges yet, and I wouldn't write Wakey off, and I wouldn't be buying in the champagne just yet. We were both warned that we had to be in Super League quality stadia by 2012. We will be. You probably won't be.

So its ok for leeds to build on a stand to block locals out on a estate but we cant build on a hole old pit site

! JOKE !

great post.

Did Santa drop of your rose tinted glasses early or have we been having a little christmas drink too early??

You keep trying to tell yourself that Wakey still have a better application than Cas. Full planning permission will go in by next week for the Glasshougton site, not outline PP. Money is in place and the project is ready to go. I can not honestly believe that you think Wakey have the best application after yesterday's news.

I'll take your word for it but £11.5m seems light even in these competitive times. Newmarket was mentioned at £20m - high in my opinion - but there looked more in the Stadium at Glasshoughton so I'm surprised at £11.5m but we live and learn.

All the £11.5m (Fully's price) is in place to build the Stadium. Thats great news for you but just out of curiousity where is the £11.5m coming from ? I'm aware that the Council has put up land to allow a loan facility of £2m. Ben Bailey have an option on Wheldon Road but that will only be bought once Outline consent has been obtained and at today's market value which is well down on the peak values of 3/4 years ago when they took out the option.

Not my business but just curious.

Gloat all you like - I still say the final statement in that press release will not happen.


Or at least announce another deadline that they will probably fail to meet.

I hope that the appeal is successful and you get your stadium.

Here is my suggestion how it could work.

Plans for Newmarket re submitted for a much smaller and modest scheme of purely the industrial units and nothing more. These are all on the old pit site which would be much less contraversial. The much smaller planning gain from this would be given to glasshoughton.

Add to that the other £2M that should have gone to us and then you may just about there.

Infacts its back to where we were about 8 months ago

According to Fully the cost of your stadium is £11.5million pound, [uyou say the project is ready to go[/u that means that your club must have already sold WR and got the rest of the financial package sorted for you, and you have been sitting on £9.5million pounds until now, and that the £2million Wakey council has released to you will ensure your total funding according to that, thats good news for you, but don't you think that you would be better off on your own board trying to convince your own sceptics instead of trying to convince people on here who quite frankly atm could not care less hth.

If you read the post, you will see that I said that if Cas start building and have the funds to complete, then the Cas application is stronger, undoubtedly. I just have a suspicion, however, that planning permission is being obtained to demonstrate an intention, not an ability. If you have just planning permission, then I am not sure the RFL will buy it. And before you say it, I do think that you would spend money on getting planning permission even if you can't build, because without it your franchising application is dead in the water.

If you don't demonstrate an ability to complete, then on paper our application will be stronger, as we will be in a Super League quality stadium, and you won't.

I'm not being rose-tinted. Today, would rather be in Cas's shoes than ours, but that doesn't mean we are finished, and it doesn't mean that you are home and dry.

I'm just enjoying life in general at the moment and getting into the Christmas mood. Its been a good couple of days so far for me. I almost believe in Santa again.

Belle Vue has been sold and half the money received and spent. We are homeless at the end of the season as Cala homes will be wanting their land.

Demotion to the championship will leave a funding gap for Newmarket as the councils £2million land loan is based on us being in superleague and its requirement to upgrade stadia. It is highley likely to be withdrawn in July 2011should we miss the franchise. The same goes for Cas. So I would guess theres a chance that for whoever gets the chop their stadium may never happen, condeming them to a life in the lower leagues for many years, should they survive.

Thanks for that fella. Wish more Castleford supporters were more sensible about all of this as you seem to be. The gloating and lack of class shown by some has been really bad.

Thank you Richard. I do think the gloating is out of order from some people and that is a shame that this happens. There are plenty of us who wish Wakefield well with getting permission for your new stadium and hopefully the Secretary of State will do the right thing by Wakefield Trinity and give you the go-ahead.

Lets hope the RFL let you continue in SL with your plan B but not at the expense of ourselves obviously, personally i think the Wrexham lot deserve to lose their place,

Finally i was curious what SWAG stands for.......


Supporters Without A Ground perhaps???

sorry....couldnt resist

Enjoy it then while you can then squire, I noticed you chose to ignore the bit about all your funding being in place

perhaps you are another one that cannot determine fact from fantasy.

which stadium in Castleford is this?

As things stand at the moment Castleford are fractionally better off than Wakefield Trinity are, indeed it could be argued that due to the funding crisis at Castleford they may be further away from a stadium than Wakefield are.

I hope that that isn't the case and that Castleford can solve their funding problems, get their new stadium and retain their super league place but to suggest that Wakefield Trinity's board of directors have done their club and the fans an injustice by not going Glasshoughton is ill informed and myopic.