Trying to look objectively at the most emotive of issues.....I fully understand why GH, towards the very eastern border of WMDC, is a no go for the vast majority of Trinity fans. I also accept that, geographically and travel wise Newmarket looks less of a problem for Cas fans but most may not get passed the notion that it is Wakey's project, Wakey's stadium. With hindsight we've probably all been too blinkered to see that a shared stadium jointly planned from start to finish was the only sensible way of avoiding the godawful mess we're now in.

Paranoia is a terrible affliction, I bet big alf wondered what he had done wrong. Anyway Im here now

It’s been well publicised that the land loaned to both clubs would go some way to partially fund the new stadiums. It was the councils offer to both clubs. Now they are withdrawing the offer to both clubs to form one pot as one stadium is having funding issues where as, subject to planning permission, the other has the necessary backing.

its more than the funding. I am sure Newmarket could happen even without it. Its the rest of the support that counts. Perfect example is the delay in planning being caused by WMDC. Its things like this that they have direct control over and which have a massive influence. Box needs Newmarket to fail in order to complete Glasshoughton and that is what worries me.

That does not answer the question. Or are you saying that if the stadium cost is £20 mill and the land is worth £2 mill then York court are putting in 90%.

What I am trying to get at is are these the only 2 funding sources for the project ie York court and the land or are their other funding streams.
=#FF4000What percentage of the funding are York court putting in?

YES !

Quite a number of grants have already been lined up.
Wakefield college are also comming in
another party (can't be named yet) is also wanting in
Last but not least there is another very large chunk of funding waiting in the wings

Im getting a clearer picture now, the scheme is only fully funded in theory, and is not going to mainly funded by York Court. Its seems to me you have identified a number of funding sources but have bye no means sealed them. =#FF4000If the land is only worth 2 million surely you can just leave on end empty and crack on with the rest of the build. .

Thank you for your honesty, as this now puts paid to the York Court are funding it theory, like many have been led to believe.

Look its not the £2M its the support. Cas are totally cash strapped they need every penny especially the £2m (and that is the absolute bottom estamate could be much more depending on valuations)
The only way Box can justify diverting this funding to Glasshoughton is if there is no credible chance of a development at Newmarket. He has a massive influence over this, he has already palyed one card by deliberately delaying planning. The Leeds objection is another card, this is all B--ll --x and being made into much more than it actually is.

There are also a couple of major issues that is he now threatening to pull support on.

However, Newmarket WILL happen maybe later rarther than sooner. It will be developed, people like Colin Mackie did not get to where they are now by letting vermin like Box stand in his way. The problem is it will be too late for Wakefield Trinity and Box can buy enough time to set up Cas in their new stadium.

You make valid points, looking back it would have been the sensible option.

Surely Box on his own can not make the decision to divert the funds from two pots to one?
Would this decision not have to be ratified at full council??

If it is the case that one man can make this decision,then the grievances against him and his methods,including his interest in Cas need to be highlighted to the public to the media etc...

But it is not Box who is making this decision. Both clubs have been party to the discussion and it would seem agreed to co-operate.

An INDEPENDENT feasibility study is going to look at which is best. If it comes back that GH is the best, who are you going to blame then?

15000+ sigs and 1000 plus jobs at Newmarket could all go down the pan, then they will pull out of the "new pool" with the old "no money line" makes you wonder how this council works behind closed doors.

But as a shared stadium J32 wouldn't be "yours", neither would it be "ours".
J32 is still in Wakefield at the end of the day.

Anyway in terms of what each site brings to the region Newmarket wins hands down!

YES he can

You are obviously not aware how things are run. I have had first hand experience many times. This council is run by a cabinet ( about 6 or 7 councillors). The cabinet make every decision and the wider council have no influence or input. All they can do is mention their concern at council meetings but the cabinet just sit there hard faced and ignore them.

Now here is the clever bit. The cabinet get paid extra money and benefits. The councillors are queing up to get on it. Box picks every member of the cabinet and sacks anyone who he dosn't like.No democracy here, everyone is hand chosen by box. The cabinet therefore do everything he tells them. Go along and see it work for yourself. I wish many more people from Wakefield would then maybe they would not be so dumb by continuing to allow Box to ruin our city.

Box has been running our City for years and he thinks he is untouchable and while ever he can get all his support from the old miming areas to the East of the district he will do whatever he wants and no wakefield councillor can do anything about it.

The problem with independent feasibility studies is that quite often the outcome is detemined by whoever commissions the study - he who pays the piper. Would you be happy if Ted Richardson commissions the feasibilty study ?

Well, the whole independent process means that the research will be done on an impartial basis and then given to those who commission it, not altered to suit one party over the other.

The jobs would not go down the pan as the rest of the newmarket development could still go ahead, with some other community scheme put in by the developers and as for the 15000 sigs, Wakefield =#FF0000district would still be getting a new stadium and facilities at glasshoughton.

Everyone happy

You really think that do you?

IMO, GH would bring more - it would bring jobs to the region - just as Newmarket. It has BETTER transport links, is right next to one of the most visited attractions in the UK and will bring a lot of business and prosperity to the region.

As Gaz said on the Cas forum:

He would not be able to pay the piper

The 15000 sigs

they were[u signed for the Newmarket complex[/u not for GH, can you understand that or would you like pictures to help you.

So all this ....."once planning permission is achieved, this will [itrigger [/ithe funding" ....was complete and utter rubbish. Yet more mis-information from the people "in the know".

We were all lead to believe that the funding was already in place - that is patently not the case.

We were all told categorically that the developer, Yorkcourt, would be funding the stadium - again, this was not true.

It appears that significant alternative sources of funding will have to be found - just how easy does anyone think that will be right now?

Lets just pretend that Yorkcourt do get the planning permission they want (and remember, as a commercial developer they do not [iwant[/i planning permission for a stadium, that is just a required sweetener for the council in order to get the industrial aspect of the scheme passed). Then they decide that, in this difficult economic climate, they can't afford to stump up the money for the stadium straight away. And the amount required to "top-up" their input (which has still not been quantified) cannot be sourced. What then? No-one can force them to build anything, yet they will have secured a very valuable site for development at a later date when it suits them.

It seems that the SWAG people are being outmanouvered (again) by the council. That's not a criticism, because WMDC are absolutely top drawer at all this schemeing and double-dealing stuff. But just like the Thornes Park fiasco, I have no doubt that this project will never be delivered.

I await more "[ikeep the faith[/i", "[iit WILL happen[/i" , "[iwell if you think you could do better[/i" posts, which in my opinion achieve nothing apart from reassuring those who want to be reassured, and antagonising those who want proper answers.


The 150000 signatures were in support of a new stadium, not in support of a massive industrial complex. I signed it, obviously, but at the time nothing was said to me about a wider development.

In the current climate if you have to share a stadium so be it. RL is a minority sport and dont forget the vast majority of the country dont give two hoots about Wakefield Trinity Wildcats..........sadly this is a fact.

Share the Stadium and save your club.

Good luck either way as much as it pains me to say Rugby League without Wakefield Trinity is worse off.

I just wish there was more [itime[/i. Then both clubs and fans could sit down and work on this together and with The RFL's blessing, get it done properly in the best interests of both clubs.

I find it sad that this has come out a few days before the game.

Trinity have been in SL long enough to address the stadium issues - the RFL have given us enough warnings, surely. Any half-competent management team would have realised the importance of dealing with this. The problems we now face on this front are of the clubs own making. We cannot moan about not having sufficient time.


I also do not believe that the management of either club is capable of sitting down with the other and discussing, in a sensible and mature way, a realistic way forward. Simply too much ego to be bruised.

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