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| Quote ="youngcat"I was at a function last night and got talking to some people on our table who signed the petition for the stadium. They are now very angry as they say they were conned. They live in Methley/near Methley ? and said a campaign is being organised against the industrial part of the development. They said there is local newsletter "the Methley messenger" which is spearheading the campaign. They added that some people were against the stadium, but the majority were against the industrial units etc. and were worried that this would have a negative effect on the value of their property.'"
Did the large industrial estate at J31 have a negative effect on their property? Still would've thought it was far enough away to be pretty much unaffected. It's not as if wagons will be allowed to pass through. In fact the only way to the development is from Aberford Road.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Did the large industrial estate at J31 have a negative effect on their property? Still would've thought it was far enough away to be pretty much unaffected. It's not as if wagons will be allowed to pass through. In fact the only way to the development is from Aberford Road.'"
The fact that the wagons will only have an access from Aberford should be highlighted. There main concern was the proximity of developments to their properties and the fact that when they signed the petition for the stadium they were not made aware of the rest of the development. No doubt some residents will be mischief making and stirring up others with false scaremongering. it would be interesting to read what is written in the Methley messenger.
These groups have to be taken on board and approached, to help allay their fears before they get chance to grow and cause problems.
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| there is only one area to my knowledge where a prospectus land buyer that has had problems in developing the land this time for housing and that is the bottom of school lane in walton, they would of had to demolish the old building with historical value, at sometime there will be developments to the land at Newmarket as it it an ideal situation for it,
you only have to look at the old mines that have closed to see that not all are turned into industrial units or shopping malls and are allowed to return to natural habitat
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| Quote ="rugbyball"Im not jealous why should I be after all its not your stadium anyway, its the communities stadium and featherstone have been asked if they would like to be joint tenants anyway. We have declined so how can we be jealous.
All this started because I stated my belief that their was little point in letters to the Wakefield Express and that their were other issues that would be more pertinent. If fans of your club put as much effort into canvassing for new supporters as it they have canvassing other people to build as stadium FOR your use, your club would be much more healthy for it, and may even be able to finance your own stadium. And I know you have more supporters than us the point being where not asking other people to sort out our mess.
I have a question for you, why have your club not invested the money they received from the sale of your present ground into a new stadium? It seems to me that all along your club and supporters have expected someone else to make it happen for you, while you have a go at the likes of Cas who have invested heavily into making their stadium happen THEMSELVES.'"
cas have no money !! they have invested nothing and tried to finance..in the words of the person from a well known spanish bank who they tried to borrow money from..."the figures do not add up, it took 10 minutes to decline!" and it was nothing to do with the housing development ! that wasn't mentioned in the proposal...just the little bit next door! GET YOUR FACTS CORRECT!
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| cas have no money !! they have invested nothing and tried to finance..in the words of the person from a well known spanish bank who they tried to borrow money from..."the figures do not add up, it took 10 minutes to decline!" and it was nothing to do with the housing development ! that wasn't mentioned in the proposal...just the little bit next door! GET YOUR FACTS CORRECT!
do you have a link to back up your ''facts''
the banker sounds like a true professional if he discusses clients with anyone willy nilly.
the good thing to come out of this is we (cas) get to stay where we are and stick 2 fingers up to the rfl.
if they dont want us then we will survive in the national leagues and not put the club at risk of bankruptcy each time soopa doopa league move the goalposts in their hopeless quest for expansion.
hope you get your stadium, but after that where does the money come from to pay for the rest of s/l's future demands.
time to wake up . super league dont want wakey or cas they want calder and the merger will be back on as soon as they feel they can force it
god help rugby league
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| I agree darntlane thats what the rfl/superleague want a merged team so they can accomodate anther french club or a team in scotland. The game will never grow like they want it to and these new franchises will only be in existence for a short period of time. Id rather we kept our own identities and fight our corners.
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| Quote ="youngcat"I was at a function last night and got talking to some people on our table who signed the petition for the stadium. They are now very angry as they say they were conned. They live in Methley/near Methley ? and said a campaign is being organised against the industrial part of the development. They said there is local newsletter "the Methley messenger" which is spearheading the campaign. They added that some people were against the stadium, but the majority were against the industrial units etc. and were worried that this would have a negative effect on the value of their property.'"
As l have said on the Cas forum, l live in Methley and have not heard a peep re the potential Newmarket development. Which is unusual, last year there was a concerted local area protest against a planned new development in Lower Mickeltown, which resulted (at least in some part) to planning permission being turned down!
l don’t see how the development would affect Methley, it is far enough away to not impact on traffic, noise or house price worries.
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"As l have said on the Cas forum, l live in Methley and have not heard a peep re the potential Newmarket development. Which is unusual, last year there was a concerted local area protest against a planned new development in Lower Mickeltown, which resulted (at least in some part) to planning permission being turned down!
l don’t see how the development would affect Methley, it is far enough away to not impact on traffic, noise or house price worries.'"
More then likely it will have been some of the anti stadium group scaremongering the locals with regards to increased HGV traffic loads. Not withstanding the permissions the wagons will face, but physically a Juggernaut would find navigating Newmarket Lane beyond the perimeter of the site pretty much impossible such it the tightness of the roads.
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| Quote ="youngcat"The fact that the wagons will only have an access from Aberford should be highlighted. There main concern was the proximity of developments to their properties and the fact that when they signed the petition for the stadium they were not made aware of the rest of the development. No doubt some residents will be mischief making and stirring up others with false scaremongering. it would be interesting to read what is written in the Methley messenger.
These groups have to be taken on board and approached, to help allay their fears before they get chance to grow and cause problems.'"
I work with a few people from methley and there is definitely some strength to the stories that some who have filled in pertitians on our behalf feel somewhat misled about the rest of the development.
We after all are only interested in the ground and as far as I am aware are only pertititioning for such, so I can see there point to some level.
However there is also talk of a massive jctn 32 style retail outlet and various other scare stories also being mixed in causing quite a lot of I'll feeling towards us and the development as a whole.
Scare stories can cause them as much agro as us, so they need to be careful, however we may have caused ourselves trouble by the way we have canvassed our support very publicly on our one point, without raising the rest of the development as part of that process, to remain transparent.
As for the speeking to opposing groups I have previously stated the need for dialogue with all parties with any concern. Good pr for us.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"I work with a few people from methley and there is definitely some strength to the stories that some who have filled in pertitians on our behalf feel somewhat misled about the rest of the development.
We after all are only interested in the ground and as far as I am aware are only pertititioning for such, so I can see there point to some level.
However there is also talk of a massive jctn 32 style retail outlet and various other scare stories also being mixed in causing quite a lot of I'll feeling towards us and the development as a whole.
Scare stories can cause them as much agro as us, so they need to be careful, however we may have caused ourselves trouble by the way we have canvassed our support very publicly on our one point, without raising the rest of the development as part of that process, to remain transparent.
As for the speeking to opposing groups I have previously stated the need for dialogue with all parties with any concern. Good pr for us.'"
I believe YorkCourt are in constant dialogue with the residents directly affected.
SWAG’s mission is to campaign for a new stadium, which they have done. The rest of the development is not part of SWAG’s remit, although it is integral to the stadium becoming a reality. However, the SWAG petition directly quotes, ‘the Sports Facilities will form part of an overall strategy for the Newmarket site and cannot happen in isolation to the other functions proposed for the site.‘
One would take from that a development in an area close to the motorway and out of town would entail some sort of industrial units & business park.
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| Why is this even debated on here... the vast majority of wakey fans are blinkered to any debate and the residents are the opposite.
One inbred on here even called me scum cos I tried debating.
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| So why bother then? Troll.
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| Quote ="Barry Clegg 2nd"So why bother then? Troll.'"
Namecalling... geesh kiddie isn't it past your bedtime?
Just reading all this thread it goes round and round an then back to the start. Quite funny really.
Oh and I am not a troll, i read it cos I support Wakey.. just a shame people like you support them too.
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| Quote ="Barry Clegg 2nd"So why bother then? Troll.'"
Quote Namecalling... geesh kiddie isn't it past your bedtime?
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you two obviously have some personal agendas which... by preference... I would not like to have to wade through on some important threads!!!
Kiss and Make Up or just ignor each other
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| Feel free Al as i would not miss this place, Too many trolls way back but now it is beyond a joke.
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| Quote ="Barry Clegg 2nd"Feel free Al as i would not miss this place, Too many trolls way back but now it is beyond a joke.'"
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I believe YorkCourt are in constant dialogue with the residents directly affected.
SWAG’s mission is to campaign for a new stadium, which they have done. The rest of the development is not part of SWAG’s remit, although it is integral to the stadium becoming a reality. However, the SWAG petition directly quotes, ‘the Sports Facilities will form part of an overall strategy for the Newmarket site and cannot happen in isolation to the other functions proposed for the site.‘
One would take from that a development in an area close to the motorway and out of town would entail some sort of industrial units & business park.'"
but we are not yorkcourt developments, there is nothing wrong with us speaking to people also.
People signed for our new ground not the rest of it, I never explained to people what else was going to be built, because I was not aware of the plans, I would imagine a large percentage where also in the same boat.
If that was made 100% crystal clear I can assure you the 15000+ signitures we got would have been less (if only by those who signed who live in methley!!!)
this issue could cause us a lot of grief, and only because we are campaining for the one point that matters to us, in hindsight maybe the plans should have been released first so as no one was under any doubt, I don't know if that was at all possible (trb??)
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| Quote ="kinleycat"but we are not yorkcourt developments, there is nothing wrong with us speaking to people also.
People signed for our new ground not the rest of it, I never explained to people what else was going to be built, because I was not aware of the plans, I would imagine a large percentage where also in the same boat.
If that was made 100% crystal clear I can assure you the 15000+ signitures we got would have been less (if only by those who signed who live in methley!!!)
this issue could cause us a lot of grief, and only because we are campaining for the one point that matters to us, in hindsight maybe the plans should have been released first so as no one was under any doubt, I don't know if that was at all possible (trb??)'"
If what you say is correct then the problem they have is not the stadium but the large development that comes with it. This is everything to do with YorkCourt and it’s an issue they need to resolve. If they don’t have an issue with the stadium so there is nothing that we could say.
We can speak to people but again, we are not the developers and we would not give them as an accurate picture of the overall development to what they could. The complaints people may have over the development are best directed to the developers as they can amend the plans to suit. SWAG can not. Sure if people ask about it or have questions then we could always point out that this will bring new jobs to the area plus bring the sports facilities up to date. The benefits for the region are there to see.
Had the plans been fully released before the petition I’m sure it still would’ve obtained between 14K -15K signatures. Had the petition also said that the plans will bring in thousands of jobs to the area many who didn’t sign it perhaps would’ve done. What you lose with one hand you gain in another.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"but we are not yorkcourt developments, there is nothing wrong with us speaking to people also.
People signed for our new ground not the rest of it, I never explained to people what else was going to be built, because I was not aware of the plans, I would imagine a large percentage where also in the same boat.
If that was made 100% crystal clear I can assure you the 15000+ signitures we got would have been less (if only by those who signed who live in methley!!!)
this issue could cause us a lot of grief, and only because we are campaining for the one point that matters to us, in hindsight maybe the plans should have been released first so as no one was under any doubt, I don't know if that was at all possible (trb??)'"
Possible - yes - but at the time we all felt that we needed momentum building up to the submission of the details. As KK says, we did put wording to the effect that there would be more than just a stadium there as we knew that there had to be more involved in order to pay for the stadium.
I know we keep coming back to the idea of SWAG getting involved with the restless natives, but I can assure you that this was never our remit and I am all too well aware that Yorkcourt are speaking directly to the locals with a view to designing things in / out as appropriate to appease them - where commercially viable / practicable to do so. They are the professionals and we will allow them to do their job in this regard.
There are mixed signals coming in re. Methley - some say there is no issue, others say there is an issue - perhaps there is some reflection over who is asking the question and how it is phrased.
I can assure you that we would still have over 15,000 even without the Methley vote!
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| Quote ="TRB"Possible - yes - but at the time we all felt that we needed momentum building up to the submission of the details. As KK says, we did put wording to the effect that there would be more than just a stadium there as we knew that there had to be more involved in order to pay for the stadium.
I know we keep coming back to the idea of SWAG getting involved with the restless natives, but I can assure you that this was never our remit and I am all too well aware that Yorkcourt are speaking directly to the locals with a view to designing things in / out as appropriate to appease them - where commercially viable / practicable to do so. They are the professionals and we will allow them to do their job in this regard.
There are mixed signals coming in re. Methley - some say there is no issue, others say there is an issue - perhaps there is some reflection over who is asking the question and how it is phrased.
I can assure you that we would still have over 15,000 even without the Methley vote!
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Just to try and clear the Methley debate up......l appreciate that some members on here have heard some stories that residents are not happy, but this is all second hand.
l live in Methley, l go to the local pub, l go to the cricket club......l have heard nothing about Newmarket!
Last year (as l previously said) a development company (can’t remember the name) applied for planning permission to build a new estate in Lower Mickletown. This resulted in an action group being put together very quickly, that made a lot of noise...........the planning application was rejected!
No such group, at least as yet, has been formed, and more to the point, what impact will the development have on Methley!??? (Bar maybe creating jobs)
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"If what you say is correct then the problem they have is not the stadium but the large development that comes with it. This is everything to do with YorkCourt and it’s an issue they need to resolve. If they don’t have an issue with the stadium so there is nothing that we could say.
We can speak to people but again, we are not the developers and we would not give them as an accurate picture of the overall development to what they could. The complaints people may have over the development are best directed to the developers as they can amend the plans to suit. SWAG can not. Sure if people ask about it or have questions then we could always point out that this will bring new jobs to the area plus bring the sports facilities up to date. The benefits for the region are there to see.
Had the plans been fully released before the petition I’m sure it still would’ve obtained between 14K -15K signatures. Had the petition also said that the plans will bring in thousands of jobs to the area many who didn’t sign it perhaps would’ve done. What you lose with one hand you gain in another.'"
So to some up if anybody asks anything negative, say you couldnt possibly comment due to your lack of expertise and pass the buck to York court.
But feel free to say what you want about any perceived benefits, despite your lack of expertise.
Thousands of jobs you say. Can you enlighten us all more?
And do you think due to location a fair number of these jobs will go to people in Castleford? If they do that would be great they would only all have to nip thru METHLEY to get there. I cant see why the Methley folk would complain. lets say out of these "thousands" 700 go to people in cas( im just making the figures up like you, so stay with me) I would expect a good 500 hundred to travel by car, and most to go(and return) via methley so thats only an extra 1000 trips aday thru their village.
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| 700 people from Cas get a job! PMSL there are some real comedians on here.
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| Quote ="Barry Clegg 2nd"700 people from Cas get a job! PMSL there are some real comedians on here.'"
LOL LOL LOL you may have a point
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