If its dual registration for a year while they develop both physically and their game in general then fair enough. But if these were permanent departures then theres going to be a lot of unhappy people, me included.

Sam was asked directly this week if he was coming, he said no, but we all know players are not always truthful

One player who has now departed told me a lot of what is going on at the minute behind the scenes, some that will come out in the wash, some that wont.....Players being sacked, players being forced out,Players being paid off, legal action etc etc etc. It appears Agar is making a huge rod for his own back.
In relation to Sam, as Agar stated in the Express he has to get rid of some players to bring new ones in.......and the new ones in the frame is sharks hooker and Obsty - 2 hookers......you can take a calculated guess as to which possible players will be making way for them.

It does appear that some strange decisions are being made, why he is looking at any more hookers when we already have ellis, wildie, wood and davey who are all capable of doing a job in that position, whilst we have released 4 props from last years squad and only really signed Wilkes who has played any regular time in the position is baffling.

I also don't agree with forcing anyone out, particularly young and homegrown players who it should be easier to introduce into the first team with a better quality of player around them.

Was he by any chance one of the players who didn't get an offer for next season or was 'forced out?'

If so, I take it you applied a liberal pinch of salt to his comments, rather than taking them all as statements of fact?

I'm afraid its true, i happen to know too how bad Agar is treating some of the young players, Higgins was about to knock him out, he's forcing James out, Moore out, sacked Howarth and paid him off, Told Wildie he's e at passing, Possibly Davey being pushed out,
This will be the last ever coaching job this clown will ever have , Didnt i read when Agar signed that he was gonna blood the young English players through the system, Well he's sure started well ????

Can't see how he can get rid of Davey, Spiers & Wildie anyway, don't we have to have 8 club trained players in our top 25? Without these guys we haven't.

Then maybe he should use his coaching skills to improve him then?

I hope ANDREW GLOVER and JAMES ELSTON read this. Agar should only be letting them leave on DR otherwise I don't see agar lasting the season without a revolt from wakey fans . perhaps it's time to start the chant. AGAR OUT!!!





NO MORE HOOKERs YOU BOLD GIMP!

Well we don't know that It's true.. Lets see what he does on the pitch

Unlikely they'll be reading, they're on a boys jolly up in spain.

Heard that amongst other things there is a contentious issue regarding Kev Pennys release/sacking as well. Think the club could do with an experienced RL administrator on the board that knows what they are doing as there is a lot of naivety being shown right now.

What do we want - and how would we deal with the situation?

Up to July this year we all thought we we're going down. Before that we were just grateful to have a club! The club took steps to prepare for building a team for the Championship - Moore and Higgins being signed for that purpose especially. We also had a legacy from this time last year and earlier in the season when we basically had to sign anyone who would come at that time.

The reality was that most of the squad were below par for a SL squad and we were late to the table in terms of signing players - and further confusion arose because, quite rightly IMO, we chose to change coach (no disrespect to JK who did a great job in his time overall). So we had some players on longer term contracts and some recently signed who didn't fit into the new coaches plans - and we have to respect that the guy knows what he is aiming to achieve. Ultimately he will be judged by immediate results on the pitch and, in the longer term, by the development of players. I am aware at the moment that he believes that many of our 'juniors' need bulking up in order to stand the rigours of SL - if that is the intention long term then, provided he retains the best of them, including dual contract placements, then fine, but we have to get these lads some match experience - whilst we have to compete in the first team.

In essence - let's be patient and judge the final article and not the work in progress!

Agree.

If your not happy there are other places to watch the sport not too far away from BV

Me I am happy just to be in SL sport is a business and if I am honest I am really pleased they have taken a broom through the club a total fresh start is what was wanted in my opinion and for whats been done the club get my 100% support.

I would be happy to start next season with a total new set up.

As for ther players that have gone I am not fussed and if the rumours on here are to be believed (that old chextnut again) then people have a right in law to dispute or appeal they way they are treated.

Bingo! we don't but some have got the knives out already.

you ought to hang your head in shame

he might not be my choice but I'm willing to see what Agar can do

I'd be more upset if Agar started 2012 with more or less the same squad that started 2011.

We have not played a ball in anger yet and the knives are out give the bloke a chance.

Agar has come in and seems to be ringing the changes. This is what was required if we aspire to greater things and a higher finish. He is doing his job! Gone are the days of the comfortable softhand approach which a coach who has been here and become part of the furniture.

I'm in agreement that changes need to be made and while I may not agree to all I accept it is a head coach doing a job he should be.

So (allegedly) he has told Wildie his passing is not up to scratch. GOOD! he is pointing out areas his players need to improve! It's up to Wildie to work on that part of his game and better himself. He is a pro, take it on the chin and improve it. He is a pro in a pro sport and his aspirations need to be matched by his committment to improve and skills.

Get off Agars back! Let's see how he goes.

There is no place for that kind of attitude round here I sense a lynching in the offing, let the mob commence...

From what I've been told he's straight down the line with folk and will tell them exactly how it is. Some people will be able to live with that others will possibly take offence to it. Can't see davey or wildie being pushed out, especially not permanently as they have been impressing agar with the way they are training. Sounds like there's going to be some more comings and goings with Higgins being released and keiran Hyde possibly going to ply his trade in France.

On another note just been reading Martin clawsons tweets and the fastest players on the hills were old timer motu tony wildie and Ellis just in front of Danny kirmond and for me another surprising one in Matt James! Sounds like the players are working their socks off and there seems to be some good banter going off between them all.

Changes were alwAys going to be made and obviously some players were going to be upset by these. I hope Moore gets a fair crack to prove his self as I thought he showed enough promise in the little I saw of him to show he could handle the step up to super league. For me we've got to give agar a chance he probably wasn't anyone kon here's first choice but he's here now and I don't see the point in bagging him before a ball has even been kicked, surely it's better to get behind him give him support and see what he can deliver.

For me Moore needs to spend a lot of time bulking up, he has the other elements of his game well under way but needs that extra bit of muscle on him- much like how Broughy changed form between being promoted with Cas and the end of his first year with us.
I believe Moore does have potential at SL level & if nothing else I'm glad to have him in the squad.

Keep on training hard Moorey- prove em wrong!

We all have to get used to the many changes taking place and accept our new coaches ideas and methods wont please everybody, but the facts are, if we don't make those changes we'll never get anywhere. I for one haven't been excited about a forthcoming season in a long time and sense good times are on the way back. Good on Agar for getting rid of those not deemed up to scratch. He ain't stupid, he's not gonna let anybody go with more than potential, and after looking at the squad as a whole these last few weeks he'll know exactly where we are and who he wants to retain. We want winners at Wakefield Trinity and I feel that this new era dawning is going to create a winning mentality. If we aim high I believe we will achieve high, and what Agar has at his disposal now should ensure more than respectability. Let him use his coaching skills now to mould us into a team.

Agar out.
How ridiculous can some people get.
Thank goodness all the rational people have come out with sensible assessments of the situation.

So has he officially signed then??