So what do we expect the fans to do? Some of the stuff on FB is rubbish, yes I will grant you that, but in the absence of anything at all from the club other than fan bashing then naturally the fans will speculate, fester and eventually criticise. All I'm hearing is that dissent and criticism should be stopped, and full support should be given to the club. Thats naive as far as I am concerned.

Let me ask the forum this - what are we supporting? What's the new plan? What can we get behind? You have to give to receive, or at least demonstrate some leadership and inspire people. Let's start with the average £300-500 that most of us have given already this season. Regarding comms, and on balance, to the untrained eye, the Club speak to the fans either when they want something or they are criticising the fans. Nothing in between. Fans won't cop for that. Looking on RW&B you now even have the dutiful super fan's criticising - surely that's an indicator.

The only member of the club that is regularly speaking to the outside world is Mark Applegarth. That is the one and only source of truth from Wakefield Trinity RLFC as we stand. Even John Minards whom I enjoy reading has gone underground.

So I don't think it's as simple as "get behind 'em". Even the Pied Piper played a tune.

A very reasoned post.
However, just how many games are we going to lose before a fundamental change is made with our head coach.

Accepting that mistakes have been made is one thing but, failure to try and rectify those mistakes is surely worse.
It's clear that we have zero or very little cash but, limping to the end of the season and accepting relegation and all that comes with that, without trying to change tack is bloody stupid..
Even "hardcore, loyal" fans have had enough.
When ST holders dont come to home games, something has to change.

Effectively, we are watching "sales" go down the plughole and without "customers", the game is up.

Yep, where the problems started and have continued.

I tried a measured approach to things. I ran an international freight business for 40 years so have some knowledge. When recession hits, as it did three times, you cut your cloth accordingly but look for new business, if you sit and wait, you stagnate and rot. Trinity’s business is rotting. No visible signs of addressing the matter other than a few sticking plasters. If you keep doing the same thing, you get the same results. This equates to Proctor and Atoni. Utter failures and not completing their jobs to the best of their ability, so it looks. Their reward, carry on being a failure. The club is now its own worst enemy by not embracing 2023 and all it offers in social media,etc. Carry on Regardless. It’s becoming a farce. Everyone has an opinion, even from Australia. The big difference is your not watching poop here.

I agree with a lot of what you say, but.....ups' and downs with us is relative isn't it! In 55 years we have finished in the top 4, 3 times!! That by any stretch is poor, through all the chairmen, players & coaches that have come and gone in that timeframe. We have never finished above 5th since '99. No CC final since '79. The golden era of the '60's, now nearly 60 years ago!! This season has been coming for at least 3/4 years, and currently it's pretty abysmal when you look at all the stats. We are on course to be the worst EVER team in Super league the way things are going. I can understand Manuel's post, I completely get it, and like someone else said, the minute season ticket holders start not bothering, the club's actual existence is on a very slippery slope indeed.

Not one of my favourites either tbh.....

My plea is sack Applegarth because there is no chance of filling the new stand in the championship under his style of rugby.

Nah, we're currently breaking SL records every week, why change now.

AGREE .Better to watch a team that plays attractive rugby in the Championship ,than the garbage rugby these coaches think is rugby

He still will be the coach

I think the fans have been very patient with the coach and much of the flack is rightly now falling on sir mick or Lord mick or the messiah or I'm billy big boots bigger than the club Carter but I think if the fans crank it up the coach will go

Also a supporter of over 65 years and feeling now resigned to our fate. I feel that it is time for the people in charge who have obviously achieved a great deal in very trying circumstances to communicate with the fans, admit mistakes have been made and develop a strategy to salvage the rest of the season and also outline the way forward if relegation does come. In conclusion I will add that I will be supporting next season come what may. It is what I do.

I think most supporters agree with some aspects of both sides of the argument. I think what is annoying most supporters is the lack of communication coming from the top. Fitness of the players for me seems to be way short, especially our new overseas signings, who perhaps thought it was going to be far easier than it actually is. Im not sure the sacking of Mash is the answer as it just wastes more money , that could be better spent on playing staff. Most agree its a step too far to revive our season, perhaps it is, but that can be a positive as some have said, watching a team winning some games and building success slowly is better than watching us playing with no zip, staying up and being even worse next season.

I have no beef with anyone on here (except an odd few who seem to think that the world is full of unicorns and money grows on trees) I contributed to this thread because I thought the whole issue lacks balance… and it’s becoming a witch hunt… which I believe is in the best interests of no one.

I actually think the business strategy for the future of the club is a good one… stymied by the pandemic and recession (the causes of which are another vitriolic debate) but… our club is living within its means.. other clubs are not… one only has to look at the demise of some leading RU clubs in the UK to wonder at the fate of some of our clubs. When debt becomes unsustainable or the hobby directors move on??? What then!


That I now live in Australia… should be a reason for me not to have (or not be allowed to express) an opinion on the matter (despite my being a fairly regular face at the club from 75 to 200icon_cool.gif is disappointing. I would suggest that it is you don’t like me having the opinion I do… rather than that it is expressed from overseas that is the issue.

I subscribe to Trinity TV and watch every game(despite knowing the result) and live on Fox Sports when I can… and on my infrequent visits to the UK I have been to every game available… including academy games… my love for the club and the game has not changed since that first game against Keighley in 1975.. it gets in your blood and won’t go away.

Anyway I love this club and will be a fan until I die.

Well said mate and good on you.


Say what you want on here and bascially if some don't like it - .



Edited, i support your sentiment but say what you want but without swearing BG. - Poptart

absolutely not.... I am always persuadable to other stratagems, ideologies.. and opinions founded on reality... I am, however, a little intolerant of emotional outbursts (something I was totally guilty of in my younger years).. and personal agendas.

Forums are based on debate and open discussion, about things that are important to the group. But there are aspects of this general debate which, whilst they have some truth, are moot or offer nothing other than criticism and/or vitriol; victory was never won by those seeking revenge.

Thats a little aspirational - maybe in an ideal world.

Emotions do play a massive part in sports , and by extension the fans, and hence the odd outburst in here.

And victory is indeed obtained by those seeking revenge. You live down there. You’ve seen State of Origin, right?

Well said Spooki. Hope you are well.

We all have our ideas as to how we are where we are, but I haven't seen anyone come up with an answer to the problem yet, other than sack him or he has to go.
Is that alone going to get us out of this mess, we have no money to speak off, so what's the answer?????

Well as re. changing the coach, we'll never know if that improves the players' performances with a new one, until it happens will we?! The performances mainly have been very similar, despite using most of the squad, and bringing in loan players, so what does that tell us? The coach can't seem to rectify the problems, or the majority of the squad aren't up to it consistently, too many past their best, not enough quality in the key positions? Therefore it would take a very good, experienced coach to turn this around without significant recruitment, which takes money for starters......so we pretty much are knackered whichever way you look at things!!

So i'm not sure there is an answer that's viable and attainable.

Quote ="Wildmoggy"Well as re. changing the coach, we'll never know if that improves the players' performances with a new one, until it happens will we?! The performances mainly have been very similar, despite using most of the squad, and bringing in loan players, so what does that tell us? The coach can't seem to rectify the problems, or the majority of the squad aren't up to it consistently, too many past their best, not enough quality in the key positions? Therefore it would take a very good, experienced coach to turn this around without significant recruitment, which takes money for starters......so we pretty much are knackered whichever way you look at things!! So i'm not sure there is an answer that's viable and attainable.'" This sums it up for me. Interesting article in the media today from Francis Cummins saying players were being shown the door with no plans for recruitment at the end of last season….. “It just appears that Willie had been making decisions about players he wanted and nothing happened and players he was letting go he didn’t get to replace them. “It just went on too long and the writing was on the wall that they weren’t going to spend the money that they saved.” https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1177215511?-4 ... atest_news

Quote ="Wildmoggy"Well as re. changing the coach, we'll never know if that improves the players' performances with a new one, until it happens will we?! The performances mainly have been very similar, despite using most of the squad, and bringing in loan players, so what does that tell us? The coach can't seem to rectify the problems, or the majority of the squad aren't up to it consistently, too many past their best, not enough quality in the key positions? Therefore it would take a very good, experienced coach to turn this around without significant recruitment, which takes money for starters......so we pretty much are knackered whichever way you look at things!! So i'm not sure there is an answer that's viable and attainable.'" This sums it up for me. Interesting article in the media today from Francis Cummins saying players were being shown the door with no plans for recruitment at the end of last season….. “It just appears that Willie had been making decisions about players he wanted and nothing happened and players he was letting go he didn’t get to replace them. “It just went on too long and the writing was on the wall that they weren’t going to spend the money that they saved.” https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1177215511?-4 ... atest_news

Pretty much. It’s just getting the best and trying to make the best of what we have with small additions. That may take a bit of time and may or may not work.

But that’s not our job is it?

So we have no money, just how much money don't we have. Carter's done a marvellous job on brainwashing the supporters and getting them to constantly spill the same skint message.
So I ask again just how much money don't we have. If you remember our recruitment was going to take shape because it was a world Cup and plenty of quality players would be available.

He's not brainwashed everyone, and certainly not me.