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| Looks like a genuine cock-up. Problem is things like this in troubled times can get players in the frame of mind that "why should I give 100% when I might not get paid for it."
Even if we get the ground we aren't endearing ourselves to the RFL.
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"Club issue a Statment in light of bad news" is getting to be a bit of a habit
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"Club issue a Statment in light of bad news" is getting to be a bit of a habit
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| The main issue here is, this question.
Which is the only club in Super League, Championship, Championship 1 & 2, National Conference, Saturday League, Sunday Pub Team League who recently has had to publish news on their website in response to stories about having to fight off both a tax man attack and a players not been paid story ?
The Answer.... Wakefield Trinity Wildcats
The club which is still dreaming of a SL franchise next year and dreaming of a new ground by 2095.
To put it simple... the stories dont exactly fill the average supporter with much confidence over the clubs immeduiate future... do they ?
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| Quote ="Roonaldo6"In all fairness what could he do ? Tell The Sun it was all false ? Even though the rumours of it been all over the players facebook pages appeared on here at the beginning of the week.'"
He could do nothing with The Sun, I think I admitted that, but his experience and contacts can help get more positive stories in other outlets than perhaps others can.
Mud sticks, again. I guess no-one can sort it out. Even that Chloe girl gets better publicity than we do…
Obviously I need to be friends with players on Facebook to get gossip these days too!
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| When I ran my own business the first thing that you realise is that the 1st priorityis to make sure that money is put aside every month for the Inland Revenue and the 2nd priority is that there is enough money to pay your employees on the correct date of the month.
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| Quote ="1948er"When I ran my own business the first thing that you realise is that the 1st priorityis to make sure that money is put aside every month for the Inland Revenue and the 2nd priority is that there is enough money to pay your employees on the correct date of the month.'"
All very well, but when you get a tax bill on top of the regular tax bill it becomes a problem so unless you have huge profits or a wealthy benefactor you negotiate with HMRC a plan to pay off the debt. Also the lack of player payment was a technical difficulty rather than a fiscal one.
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| Also the lack of player payment was a technical difficulty rather than a fiscal one.'"
Yep, technically they couldn't afford to.
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| Quote ="sixtogo":2i6nzn98Also the lack of player payment was a technical difficulty rather than a fiscal one.'"
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| Quote ="Roonaldo6"Yep, technically they couldn't afford to.'"
The money was there all along. These things are never just black and white, but merely shades of grey!
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| Maybe the players are on performance related pay?
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Maybe the players are on performance related pay?'"
Bloody well should be, then we'd have plenty of money to spare!!
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| Why the hell would Geoff Burrow, the players union ( gmb ) chief go running to The Sun telling tales, surely a man in his position should not behave in such a immature, pathetic, irresponsible manner. I hope the club are in contact with his boss as his actions must be a gross misdemeanour. I would be in direct contact with the lawyers and looking to sue. Also should the players be running to their union with such indecent haste ( paid two days late ).
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| Quote ="TRB"The money was there all along. These things are never just black and white, but merely shades of grey!
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Why if the money was there all along, why weren't the players paid with old fashioned cheques ? At least they would got their wages then .
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| Long time reader of the forum, first time poster.
I don't want to get a bad rep, but I feel the need to make a few points.
Quote ="Khlav Kalash"All very well, but when you get a tax bill on top of the regular tax bill it becomes a problem so unless you have huge profits or a wealthy benefactor you negotiate with HMRC a plan to pay off the debt. Also the lack of player payment was a technical difficulty rather than a fiscal one.'"
You only get a tax bill a) when you've made a profit and b) the tax bill becomes payable on a recognised due date which is clearly set out in law. We've got this tax bill because we owe the money to HMRC. We as supporters need to understand that the club has not been run particularly well in the past and we are now suffering for this. I think we all have to be realistic and accept if the tax is due it has to be paid otherwise the club will be hit with even more penalties and interest from HMRC which makes our position even worse.
Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Why the hell would Geoff Burrow, the players union ( gmb ) chief go running to The Sun telling tales, surely a man in his position should not behave in such a immature, pathetic, irresponsible manner. I hope the club are in contact with his boss as his actions must be a gross misdemeanour. I would be in direct contact with the lawyers and looking to sue. Also should the players be running to their union with such indecent haste ( paid two days late ).'"
I don't think we can blame Geoff Burrow for stating the facts, if our club is in dire financial straights we all have to be man enough to accept this and try and work towards sorting out the issues. The players are no different to the rest of us in that we all have mortgages and bills to pay every month and if our salaries don't go in on the correct day, we all become worried as to whether the money will be received and I'm sure you are in the same position. Remember the players are just trying to protect their own interests via the gmb union.
Sorry to be all doom and gloom, but hopefully we'll get some good news on the 22nd!
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| Quote ="Wrencat"Why if the money was there all along, why weren't the players paid with old fashioned cheques ? At least they would got their wages then .'"
If only it were that simple!
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| But why report them to The Sun newspaper, that cannot be the correct course of action.
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| Quote ="Wrencat"Why if the money was there all along, why weren't the players paid with old fashioned cheques ? At least they would got their wages then .'"
Surely the players would've been in a worse position, having to wait three days for the cheque to clear.
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| Quote ="leroytrintiy"Long time reader of the forum, first time poster.
I don't want to get a bad rep, but I feel the need to make a few points.
You only get a tax bill a) when you've made a profit and b) the tax bill becomes payable on a recognised due date which is clearly set out in law. We've got this tax bill because we owe the money to HMRC. We as supporters need to understand that the club has not been run particularly well in the past and we are now suffering for this. I think we all have to be realistic and accept if the tax is due it has to be paid otherwise the club will be hit with even more penalties and interest from HMRC which makes our position even worse.
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Welcome to the forum.
The tax relates to a commonly used loop hole in which overseas players were paid a portion of their wages. HMRC want their piece of this now taxable salary and are coming after sports clubs.
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| Quote ="TRB"If only it were that simple!
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It is if you have the funds to cover your cheques.
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quote="Khlav Kalash"Surely the players would've been in a worse position, having to wait three days for the cheque to clear.'"
Yes that would be the case, but at least the players would have been paid.
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| Quote ="TRB"Quote ="Wrencat"Why if the money was there all along, why weren't the players paid with old fashioned cheques ? At least they would got their wages then .'"
If only it were that simple!
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So there was no money to honour cheques? That is really bad news.
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| Quote ="allmatt"So there was no money to honour cheques? That is really bad news.'"
That is clearly not what I said.
You are pushing your luck a little now!
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Why the hell would Geoff Burrow, the players union ( gmb ) chief go running to The Sun telling tales, surely a man in his position should not behave in such a immature, pathetic, irresponsible manner. I hope the club are in contact with his boss as his actions must be a gross misdemeanour. I would be in direct contact with the lawyers and looking to sue. Also should the players be running to their union with such indecent haste ( paid two days late ).'"
How do you know that Geoff Burrow "went running to the Sun"?
Maybe it was this:-
The Sun get wind of the situation from any of many sources - they contact a player/players - player/players tell the Sun to speak with their Union Rep.
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| Quote ="TRB"That is clearly not what I said.
You are pushing your luck a little now!'"
Ok I accept that is not what you said but that is a conclusion anybody would easily come to, you must see that.
Sorry if I have upset you, but what could have been simpler than to let the players know there was a problem (Technical/whatever) in the first place before they started plastering the situaution over Facebook?
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| Burrow is quoted in the Sun Article saying ` I tried all day to contact the club ` etc etc, so by definition he did not have the clubs side of the story before he started blabbing his mouth of to the Sun. Very very unprofessional behaviour he should be sacked and made to pay damages.
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