it will get pulled, no money left,

with all the road works and changes with in the city, it won't happen

It will be just another of his empty promises - unless of course he can plough the money into surfworld as a sweetner to the Glasshoughton project going ahead.

I don't live in Wakey but can't believe how this guy has lasted so long when it is quite clear is only interest is looking after the Cas area

The council have had 30m wiped from their budget by central goverment along with an extra 1.2m from the police budget, so alot will have to go by the wayside unfortunately

Fair point but even so with this built facilties could still be classed as very poor - especially over the west side of wakefield (horbury / ossett way).

I doubt with council cuts that they will spend 10million on this project - no doubt it will end up being scaled back and again the council will lead the people of wakefield up the garden path! Im sick of seeing artists impressions in the wakey express yet nothing ever gets built apart from the horrid market. Lets hope our newmarket will be built and be better than the one in the city centre!!

at least they are going to finish the trinity walk project< i now use the new road to get home from work which cuts through at westgate, its well planned out and will help with the flow when business's pick up

I visited Wake last week to have a roam through the market, I didnt realise that it had been wiped out, the new complex should be good, but whats the new market hall about and where's the outside market, what we found was crap

Hmmm, lets start with cas. Just jokin

not been there

absolute crap from what I was told, another failed WMDC waste of money,

But you do not have the funding.

We don't have planning consent and it seems that the Council are delaying planning at Newmarket to try and force us into Glasshoughton. If we stick to Newmarket then I guess neither will happen and we both will fail to get a franchise.

So our options are :

1. Stick with Newmarket, fail to get planning in time for the franchise application and therefore fail and be demoted to NL 1.

2. Agree to share at Glasshoughton, put in a franchise application. RFL decide that there will only be room for one SL club in the district and award the franchise to Castleford. Wakefield demoted to NL1.

3. As 2. but both of us get a franchise. Wakefield cannot grow the business by being located in Castleford and either dies or is demoted to NL1.

Not much of an option whichever one we take - either spells the end of us as a SL Club.

Castleford's options are pretty much the same so I'm afraid to say I think it looks like we're both screwed.

Had a quick look at the WDMC website at the code of conduct for Councillors - not entirely sure cos as usual the way it is worded is far more complicated then it needs to be - but Boxes known Cas allegiance could imo fall under the definition of a prejudicial interest and therefore should imo prevent him from being involved in the discussions.

Looking at this from another angle if the club had any real ambition the stadium agenda should have been pushed hard as soon as we got into super league in 1999 - the years have passed and we only kick into gear when we really have to and are now fighting against time and against incompetent councilors whose interests apparently lie elsewhere. Belle Vue hasnt changed in years and years apart from the hotel and electronic scoreboard. The book stops with Ted -improving Belle Vue or building a new ground especially in labours golden boom should have been pushed harder yet we just seem happy to be there. Now we are panicking and trying to build a stadium when major cuts are just being announced to every council amid the global recession. If the stadium is built in time I will be amazed.

To be fair neither cas or wake's stadiums will be built by the time franchise applications happen, the applications go in early next year

if it helps us to gain extra brownie points I expect to move to Barnsley to survive until we get the stadium, it has to be our way of fighting off the move to glasshoughton, we either merge or move and I would rather we move for both clubs

Oh dear... everybody is getting in a bit of a kerfuffle!!


I know I now live some 13000 miles from the action but I am a Trinity lad at heart and first went to Belle Vue in about 1968... so I asked myself some questions

if I were still in England...

Would I support Trinity if we moved stadium to another ground in the city.... yes!

Would I support Trinity if we shared that ground with another club.... yes!

Would I support the club if they moved to share with another club in a neighbouring district... No!

Would I support a merged club playing at a ground in the city... No!

Would I support Trinity playing on a park field in the national conference leagues at amateur level... Yes!

Its a no-brainer for me... if we move out of the city... or merge... the club ceases to exist in my mind and any new entity would not get my support!

Ive got planning permission to build a two storey extension on my house,but i dont have the funds to do the work.

Exactly the same thing I read and we'll have to see in which direction Box tries to play this.But if it is the way we think,it can't be following there own code of conduct.

What you say is true regarding Public Inquiry but it refers to inappropriate development. Departures from the LDF are not uncommon and if the departure is fully supported by the Council the application when called in can be passed back to the Council to determine without the need for a Public Inquiry.

Not every departure leads to a Public Inquiry. Indeed you are probably aware that the Glasshoughton application involved some green belt land. The application was called in and passed back to the Council to determine without a Public Inquiry. The delays on Glasshoughton were as a result of the Highways Agency issuing an Article 14 Notice.

We now have a Government that is wanting to cut red tape and pass decision making back to a local level. They will not want the expense of a Public Inquiry and with the Private Sector putting in substantial funding into a Community Project it tick a lot of their boxes but not others. If the Council gives its 100% support to Newmarket there is every chance that planning could be passed in time for the next franchise bidding round.

Some would say, certainly not me, that the Council is deliberately delaying Newmarket to force Wakefield into a groundshare at Glasshoughton so that Castleford gets a Stadium and franchise for 2012 and to hell with Wakefield - they don't have much support in Wakefield so it has no political ramifications.

One thing is for certain its putting fan against fan which is the last thing we want but I fear the worst for the both of us. There are some difficult decisions to be made which inevitably are going to brass quite a few people off.

the only way I would except a move away from the city is if the stadium has started the build and we can't move in but it gets us extra points for the franchise, I don't trust the RFL or Box

I know ,it's so out of the realm of possibility that a life long Cas supporter,who is also the MP for the area ,could be some how looking after said clubs interests ahead of there local rivals .

Box is not an MP. He is the council leader. In other words, a councilor... not a member of parliament. It doesn't make him any less of a two-faced ****, but all the same.

I am up for it, get me on board pm me whatever it takes, I shall do my damnest trying to help this club

Yet no-one gave a toss about Wakefield RFC when they were at College Grove for around a century, and no-one went to see Wakefield-Emley so they went off to College Grove because Belle Vue was too expensive to have 200 fans rattling around in. If the citizens didn't care, why should they be saved?

Let's face it, they are pawns people are using as 'why Wakefield is crap now' when they are irrelevant.

And on Box, if he sold his 40p shares, would it make any difference?

Are the council members of your the Community trust, if they are it would seem they are not as confident as you.

I would assume you will need the council onside with the project to get it through planning. Which makes your statements against Box a very risky strategy, and it would seem that the only card left you have to play is the blame the council card.

The problem really lies with your club and its let some body else sort us a stadium out. Castleford have took control over their own destiny from day one, no of this let the council sort it, or let yorkcourt sort or Sir Rod. As for your bitterness over Thornes park, my old man works there for the college and when the speculation of a stadium started he and other members of staff went and asked the principle and were told categorically from day one that the college would not be vacating the site before 2012. You may not have been in the loop, but your club were happy to go along with Thorne park because if the facts had of come out sooner, you would not be in Super league now. You should be grateful that the council continued to make it look a goer until after the licenses were handed out.

You have also shown yourself to not be interested in community facilities for the whole district, not just Wakefield and the Wildcats, through your shunning of Glasshoughton, lets face it the only concern you have is for WTWC superleague future.

And to finish here is a straight forward question for you. How much in a percentage or the total funding package have York Court actually promised in a legally bending contract?

I ask you this as their is seems to be much confusion on here as to the funding, most seem to think York court are providing most of it if not all, and I have notice you seem in no rush to dispel any myths, so if this is the last thing you ever communicate to me. =#FF0000How much are York court putting in and how much is reliant on other funding.

Yes, and anyone in the same position would be doing the same?

As it is, there's a small snippet on the YEP website saying that an independent feasibility study is going to be started.

The council claim that they will only back one stadium with the value of the land loaned to each entity merged to form one pot. The ‘cost’ to the council will be no less. Initially £4m will still go into one project as opposed to £2m into two.

One stadium is fundable with the facility to raise capital against this land whereas the other isn’t. The question has to be asked, what is the motivation for this change of stance when it will not ‘cost’ the council any less and would it have happened if the boot was on the other foot? If they were completely withdrawing one of the parcels of land available then I would still be annoyed but I could make sense of it.