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| Quote ="Big Cat"Based on friday night i wouldn't want Blanch in the seventeen...not saying that long term he won't earn his keep, but thought his defence was awful and he looked well short of match practise....
NB Thought Warrington were very good and really pressurised Obst who for me struggles as a scrum half in the tougher games........I would go with Obst and davey (bench) at Hooker, Latu in the backrow, Southernwood at 7 and jeffires if fit at 6 (if not cooke).
Still happy with the way we've gone so far,,,our defeats have been to good teams...'"
I agree to an extent with Blanch - but given the defensivley/positionally weak Gleeson was inside him I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him have a few more games to prove himself. I don't think its any coincidence that he played outside Gleeson, and so did Morton - I reckon the problem is inside him and he deserves a bit more time.
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| Quote ="Big Cat"Based on friday night i wouldn't want Blanch in the seventeen...not saying that long term he won't earn his keep, but thought his defence was awful and he looked well short of match practise....
NB Thought Warrington were very good and really pressurised Obst who for me struggles as a scrum half in the tougher games........I would go with Obst and davey (bench) at Hooker, Latu in the backrow, Southernwood at 7 and jeffires if fit at 6 (if not cooke).
Still happy with the way we've gone so far,,,our defeats have been to good teams...'"
why play southernwood who seems to be destined elsewhere if the earlier thread is true against cas? a local derby, you might as well just put a target on him ! couldn't make friday so can't comment but who was the centre inside blanchey please?
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| Quote ="Tommy Duckfingers"We have 2 perfectly good centres in Murphy (or so we are told) and Millard, along with 2 perfectly good wingers in Morton (should be freshened up now) and Blanch - why would we want to play a tired looking, lacking in pace and out of form converted back rower anywhere near the 3/4s?
I think the key to Easter will be getting the likes of King and Johnson available for the second game, we look a bit threadbare and if we need to go 2 games with 2 days between them we need some numbers back. For me it picks itself:
1 Blaymire
2 Morton
3 Millard
4 Murphy
5 Blanch
6 Cooke
7 Obst
8 Tronc
9 Latu
10 Moore
11 Ferguson
12 Henderson
13 Morrison
S Korkidas
S Gledhill
S Kirkmond
S Davey'"
That would be my team for Cas game as well, we need to sort out the right side defence pretty quick and IMO that line up should go some way towards doing it.
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| jd should never play in the centres ever again! his position is in the back row(if chosen over several other good back rowers) ryan atkins walked around him without him even being able to put a hand on him. murphy for me and poss george on the wing in place of a clearly unfit blanch, also davey back in is a must
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| davey was a bit upset about being omitted last week.
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| Just watched wakefield highlights on bbc and would have to say if Luke George fit would replace Blanch as well as Gleeson being dropped. Both showed equal defensive frailties. It could be that the pairing doesn't work but looking replays both players were out of position and didn't even get a hand on the oposition at times. Both can show that they are more than capable at high level but think they need to be replaced for friday.
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| I don't think that JD is the force he was, but he still puts himself about in defence. And for that reason I'd put im in the centre instead of Gleeson, it'll certainly shore that side up defensively.
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| my team would be
blaymire
morton
millard
murphy
george
cooke
obst-would rather have bj butcant see him been fit
henderson
latu
tronc
fergurson if fit
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subs,davey,korky king and kirmond---if bj was fit i would take davey out start with sam at hooker and bench latu
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| I'd go...
Murphy
Blanch
JD
Millard
Morton
Cooke
BJ
Korky
Latu
Tronc
Fergie
Kirmond
Morrison
Obst
Gledhill
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| ye atkins beat jd that time but other than that it sorted our right edge out, he even took grix and then ran down wire young winger.Last tim jd played in centres was when george went off early against leeds and he played very well in that game. Jd is coming back from a major knee op and could do with our backing, we say how great hendo work rate is and thats true but if you look at the stats jd is vey close to kh in terms of workrate, i believe he will come good as he always does, i just wished we used him a an impact player even kh was tired in the second half. in terms of gleeson he is offering nothin with ball in hand. Look at jd and kh stats as opposed to say gilmour and fa'ologo its interesting reading.
Quote ="captaincaveman"jd should never play in the centres ever again! his position is in the back row(if chosen over several other good back rowers) ryan atkins walked around him without him even being able to put a hand on him. murphy for me and poss george on the wing in place of a clearly unfit blanch, also davey back in is a must'"
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Ainscough played on the left the last time he was at BV'"
Is that the game where he scored 4 tries for Wigan? He got dropped after that game and never featured in the first team again if I remember right!
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I don't think that JD is the force he was, but he still puts himself about in defence. And for that reason I'd put im in the centre instead of Gleeson, it'll certainly shore that side up defensively.'"
for my money JDs defence is not great never was sorry
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| It's Cas at home, and it's JK'S job to pick the best team to beat them on the day, Don't think sentiment or past form should come into it, purely on current form my team would be....
Murphy (been our best FB this season - yes i do rate Matty)
Blanch (Still finding form - but former Cas player and very little options)
George (Natural Centre not winger - played very well there on Boxing Day)
Millard
Morton (outside a centre that is slightly better at tackling than Glees)
Cooke (Based on BJ being injured)
Obst - no other options.
Tronc
Davey (always need 2 hookers)
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Hendo
Kirmond (if Fergy isn't fit)
Tesco
Korki
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JD
JK will know that it's important we get the two points as Monday's game will be extremley hard. And obviously his team selection will be dependant on his veiw of Monday's game. I would expect Trouty to get a run soon if Mrs Tronc get's her way.
Just MHO.
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| "why play southernwood who seems to be destined elsewhere if the earlier thread is true against cas? a local derby, you might as well just put a target on him ! couldn't make friday so can't comment but who was the centre inside blanchey please?"
Fair comment crowt on both parts - Gleesons defence is poor; but i did go to the game and Blanch missed a lot of one on one tackles (for some reason he goes high with his arms and gets handed off - as everyone gets told not to do when there kids) i don't want to be part of a witch hunt as the guy has a lot of plusses but based on Friday he should be dropped IMO.
Gleeson needs to do better; clearly opposition coaches are targetting this channel now that they have video of us struggling. Even with some excellent covering tackles off Morrision, it was too easy for Wire on this flank (as it was Hudds).
Re Southernwood - i agree cas is not ideal. But everyone i talked to in the walk back to the cars said on the night it looked like we had no half backs (even though obst Cooke and latu featured) we need to find a genuine scrum half to replace Broughy and now we are franchise and shouldn;'t be thinking short term - i would like to see Southernwood playing. For me Obst is a hooker.
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| Quote ="Big Cat""why play southernwood who seems to be destined elsewhere if the earlier thread is true against cas? a local derby, you might as well just put a target on him !
Re Southernwood - i agree cas is not ideal. But everyone i talked to in the walk back to the cars said on the night it looked like we had no half backs (even though obst Cooke and latu featured) we need to find a genuine scrum half to replace Broughy and now we are franchise and shouldn;'t be thinking short term - i would like to see Southernwood playing. For me Obst is a hooker.'"
Not sure what it is you are trying to say here as one paragraph contradicts the other. This season Cain southernwood has not quite come to terms with playing in the under 20s just yet, he is doing alright but as yet has not done anything stand out to even think about stepping up, unless its to include him in the 19 for the big match atmosphere, and to throw him in at the proverbial deep end imo might just shatter his confidence. And fwiw I think JK is thinking long term regarding him as a scrum half assuming the club can keep hold of him.
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| Quote ="Outwood Vic"It's Cas at home, and it's JK'S job to pick the best team to beat them on the day, Don't think sentiment or past form should come into it, purely on current form my team would be....
Murphy (been our best FB this season - yes i do rate Matty) =#400000There's no reason to replace Blaymire, He's getting better and better with each match after his injury lay off.
Blanch (Still finding form - but former Cas player and very little options)
George (Natural Centre not winger - played very well there on Boxing Day) =#400000Needs Time to find his form after injury so it's too much to ask him to come back as a centre when he's played all his SL career almost exclusively as a winger. Murphy in for Gleeson.
Millard
Morton (outside a centre that is slightly better at tackling than Glees) =#400000George although I would have no problem with Morton except the need to rest him.
Cooke (Based on BJ being injured)
Obst - no other options.
Tronc
Davey (always need 2 hookers)
Moore
Hendo
Kirmond (if Fergy isn't fit)
Tesco
Korki
Gledhill/King - JK to call dependant on Kings fitness/attitude.=#400000I would'nt even consider dropping Gledhill ATM
Latu
JD =#400000If Fergie's fit then Kirmond to the bench ad no place for JD
JK will know that it's important we get the two points as Monday's game will be extremley hard. And obviously his team selection will be dependant on his veiw of Monday's game. I would expect Trouty to get a run soon if Mrs Tronc get's her way.
Just MHO.'"
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| Can see your argument, and as I say it's just my opinion. George played centre on boxing day, and until he picked up a knock I thought he looked really good, especially defensively, which is where we need to improve. I don't believe it would be a problem for Luke to play there even if he has spent more time on the wing recently, centre is his natural position. Matty B was excellent last season, and I am a big fan, but so far this season he looks a little slow and off the pace, Murph's was quality early season at FB so on that basis I would put him back there. Wouldn't disagree about JD if Fergy is fit, toiugh to call but not out of the question. Like I say about Gledhill/king, would leave that call to JK, but as you say, Gledhill has done nothing wrong.
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| Three games in 8 days is a big ask for any player so I would hazzard a guess that there will be a few suprises as a result of shuffled resources.
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| Quote ="Outwood Vic"Can see your argument, and as I say it's just my opinion. George played centre on boxing day, and until he picked up a knock I thought he looked really good, especially defensively, which is where we need to improve. I don't believe it would be a problem for Luke to play there even if he has spent more time on the wing recently, centre is his natural position. Matty B was excellent last season, and I am a big fan, but so far this season he looks a little slow and off the pace, Murph's was quality early season at FB so on that basis I would put him back there. Wouldn't disagree about JD if Fergy is fit, toiugh to call but not out of the question. Like I say about Gledhill/king, would leave that call to JK, but as you say, Gledhill has done nothing wrong.'"
and I can see the logic in all of your reasoning, I just think that in view of all the upheaval that the team has gone through in the last four or five weeks we need a settled team with as few changes as possible.
What we desperately need to do is plug the defensive holes in our right centre not least because every coach in the league will highlight that area to attack. Aaron Murphy has been excellent at full-back, wing, centre and even did an adequate job as a second row.
In my opinion he is likely to play centre or full-back in the future and for that reason he deserves to have the first opportunity to make the right centre position his own.
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| I understand your reasoning and agree totally about Murph's long term. It's just what I would do for Friday's game.......
But then again, what do I know
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| Quote ="Outwood Vic"It's Cas at home, and it's JK'S job to pick the best team to beat them on the day, Don't think sentiment or past form should come into it, purely on current form my team would be....
Murphy (been our best FB this season - yes i do rate Matty)
Blanch (Still finding form - but former Cas player and very little options)
George (Natural Centre not winger - played very well there on Boxing Day)
Millard
Morton (outside a centre that is slightly better at tackling than Glees)
Cooke (Based on BJ being injured)
Obst - no other options.
Tronc
Davey (always need 2 hookers)
Moore
Hendo
Kirmond (if Fergy isn't fit)
Tesco
Korki
Gledhill/King - JK to call dependant on Kings fitness/attitude.
Latu
JD
JK will know that it's important we get the two points as Monday's game will be extremley hard. And obviously his team selection will be dependant on his veiw of Monday's game. I would expect Trouty to get a run soon if Mrs Tronc get's her way.
Just MHO.'"
Not shocked really, half expected JK to go with experience (not saying I would). Not having Davey in the squad does shock me a little.
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| It is good news that BJ is back in contention, well for some of us anyway. Interesting that there is no place for Gledhill, JD and Gleeson to miss out for me.
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| 1. Blaymire
2. Blanch
3. Murphy
4. Millard
5. Morton
6. Cooke
7. Jeffries
8. Tronc
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10. Moore
11. Henderson
12. Ferguson
13. Morrison
14. Obst
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Would be mine, we need some defence on the right and that is about as good as it can get with what we've got IMO, although I won't hold my breath on JD being rested.
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| Quote ="Catnap"1. Blaymire
2. Blanch
3. Murphy
4. Millard
5. Morton
6. Cooke
7. Jeffries
8. Tronc
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10. Moore
11. Henderson
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13. Morrison
14. Obst
15. Kirmond
16. Korki
17. King
Would be mine, we need some defence on the right and that is about as good as it can get with what we've got IMO, although I won't hold my breath on JD being rested.'"
totally agree about gleeson, but the jd i dont know think would leave out kirmond perhaps
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