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| I'm of the opinion that no-one does a bad job on purpose. Yes, mistakes may have been made, but I'm sure the people running the club are hurting just as much as we are. I'm sure that when decisions had to be made, the people in charge did what they considered to be right at the time. They may look back and wish they had done things differently, but I'm sure everyone does at some point.
As for James Elston, the guy is Rugby League through and through, and there is no way he will want this on his CV. He too may have made mistakes, but I 100% believe he will be doing all he can to help the club.
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| Quote ="j.c"its been suggested elsewere that wakefields tax problems have been brought forward because of the way the rfl have dealt with wrexham crusaders going into admin.do you know if there is any truth in that ?.'" we have to wait for the truth to be announced
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I'm of the opinion that no-one does a bad job on purpose. Yes, mistakes may have been made, but I'm sure the people running the club are hurting just as much as we are. I'm sure that when decisions had to be made, the people in charge did what they considered to be right at the time. They may look back and wish they had done things differently, but I'm sure everyone does at some point.
As for James Elston, the guy is Rugby League through and through, and there is no way he will want this on his CV. He too may have made mistakes, but I 100% believe he will be doing all he can to help the club.'"
Yes everyone does make mistakes, but when it is the same mistakes over and over again and they are unable to acknowledge that repeating the same mistakes is their fault, then ask the fans for GBP 500k in 3 weeks and suggest if you don't put in you don't care, then it will get peoples backs up
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Yes everyone does make mistakes, but when it is the same mistakes over and over again and they are unable to acknowledge that repeating the same mistakes is their fault, then ask the fans for GBP 500k in 3 weeks and suggest if you don't put in you don't care, then it will get peoples backs up'"
Yeah, and to be honest it got my back up too. I can't afford the £1000, but I still care. But for 2 of us to go to 10 games this season will cost me £400, so I'm not going to worry about my commitment too much. But I still don't believe people go to work to do a bad job on purpose. And I'm sure the majority of our problems started long before Elston came to the club.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I'm of the opinion that no-one does a bad job on purpose. Yes, mistakes may have been made, but I'm sure the people running the club are hurting just as much as we are. I'm sure that when decisions had to be made, the people in charge did what they considered to be right at the time. They may look back and wish they had done things differently, but I'm sure everyone does at some point.'"
In my experience, people do a bad job for one of two reasons; conduct, or capability. The latter is rarely done on purpose, it's simply a fact that the person in question doesn't have the skills, capabilities and/or personal qualities to carry out the role.
Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"As for James Elston, the guy is Rugby League through and through, and there is no way he will want this on his CV. He too may have made mistakes, but I 100% believe he will be doing all he can to help the club.'"
Maybe that's the problem? I won't argue that he's RL through and through, but on the evidence I've seen, I don't think he's CEO through and through - if he was, this whole process would have been managed in a totally different way. It's a common mistake in RL, to put someone in a leadership position simply because they once played the game, when what's really required is a completely different skill-set.
When the dust settles, a new broom will be required.
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| Quote ="bren2k"In my experience, people do a bad job for one of two reasons; conduct, or capability. The latter is rarely done on purpose, it's simply a fact that the person in question doesn't have the skills, capabilities and/or personal qualities to carry out the role.
=#FF0000Maybe that's the problem? I won't argue that he's RL through and through, but on the evidence I've seen, I don't think he's CEO through and through - if he was, this whole process would have been managed in a totally different way. It's a common mistake in RL, to put someone in a leadership position simply because they once played the game, when what's really required is a completely different skill-set.
When the dust settles, a new broom will be required.'"
But if the £500,000 is raised, we are going to have fans calling the shots. Isn't that is what has got us in this mess in the first place? How many will vote with their head over their heart? I don't think I could.
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| Quote ="bren2k"
It's a common mistake in RL, to put someone in a leadership position simply because they once played the game, when what's really required is a completely different skill-set.
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tends to be the same in other sports too, many a mistake has been made by giving a position to someone because they was liked within the club
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"But if the £500,000 is raised, we are going to have fans calling the shots. Isn't that is what has got us in this mess in the first place? How many will vote with their head over their heart? I don't think I could.'" that was my thoughts about the supporters trust, I haven't a clue how to start running a business but could put up the steelwork for the stadium no trouble,
we must have enough business men in our fan base that have the clout to get in there and sort the troubles out, at the end of the day we will still need someone that wants to run the club as a profit
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"But if the £500,000 is raised, we are going to have fans calling the shots. Isn't that is what has got us in this mess in the first place? How many will vote with their head over their heart? I don't think I could.'"
I wouldn't argue that the new BoD, however it's constituted, will have a tough job on its hands when it comes to restructuring the club and appointing paid officers; I think you've simplified it a bit though to suggest that 'fans will be calling the shots' - there's a bit more to a Supporters Trust than that.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I wouldn't argue that the new BoD, however it's constituted, will have a tough job on its hands when it comes to restructuring the club and appointing paid officers; I think you've simplified it a bit though to suggest that 'fans will be calling the shots' - there's a bit more to a Supporters Trust than that.'"
theres a bloody site more to the share issue than that!!
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| Quote ="chapster"theres a bloody site more to the share issue than that!!'"
Than what? I'm not sure I follow...
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| Quote ="chapster"theres a bloody site more to the share issue than that!!'"
If I could afford the £1,000, I'd want the right to interfere with team selection
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"If I could afford the £1,000, I'd want the right to interfere with team selection
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wellyou couldnt do any worse, the jobs yours.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"wellyou couldnt do any worse, the jobs yours.'"
You think you'd do better with the players we have?
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"
As for James Elston, the guy is Rugby League through and through, and there is no way he will want this on his CV. He too may have made mistakes, but I 100% believe he will be doing all he can to help the club.'"
And first on his list is touting "Wakefields community facilities " to amateur clubs in Leeds, before most in this district get a look in
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| Quote ="rugbyball"And first on his list is touting "Wakefields community facilities " to amateur clubs in Leeds, before most in this district get a look in
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Newmarket is a community project for the whole community Oulton is only 2 mins for the development and it has and is being offered all clubs in the Wakefield area I know Stanley Rangers were offered use of Newmarket months ago
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| Quote ="Wakefield City Loyal"Newmarket is a community project for the whole community Oulton is only 2 mins for the development and it has and is being offered all clubs in the Wakefield area I know Stanley Rangers were offered use of Newmarket months ago'"
I know where Oulton is. I do not recall them taking the ceo, players, captain and the wakefield road show to many other clubs in the WAKEFIELD district to drum up support for the stadium. As a matter of interest when was the last time you heard anything DIRECT from YC or Sir ROD?
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| Davide Longo was at Stanley rangers yesterday and development officers were there today.the aim of this Thursday is to drum up LOCAL support, and get as many people in
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sign statements and letters. For these letters to carry any wait they need to be
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special effort is beingmade at Oulton. Even more important that these will be Leeds residents as u all know it is Leeds council that has objected.
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| Quote ="rugbyball"I know where Oulton is. I do not recall them taking the ceo, players, captain and the wakefield road show to many other clubs in the WAKEFIELD district to drum up support for the stadium. As a matter of interest when was the last time you heard anything DIRECT from YC or Sir ROD?'"
Wakefield can drum up support from wherever they want ,whats the problem?I'm glad they're going to local clubs informing them what facilities will be on offer for them to use. As for York Court or Sir Rodney Walker as far as I'm aware are still backing the project get to the meeting on Tuesday and find out for yourself
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| Quote ="Wakefield City Loyal"Wakefield can drum up support from wherever they want ,whats the problem?I'm glad they're going to local clubs informing them what facilities will be on offer for them to use. As for York Court or Sir Rodney Walker as far as I'm aware are still backing the project get to the meeting on Tuesday and find out for yourself'"
Can anybody tell me how much it will be to hire the sports barn? then I can compare with the one FEV lions have had for years.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"If I could afford the £1,000, I'd want to the right to interfere with the wildcat dolls!!!!!
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And a thread about Elston goes full circle…
Wonder what happened with Ebbsleet FC after the hype of the myfootballclub takeover occured. As long as we don't have votes to the shareholders/Trust on every issue, we'll be fine!
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| I'm pretty sure that amongst those who join the supporters trust and also volunteer their skills, knowledge and services there will be Directors and owners of successful businesses, fincial advisors, commercial & marketing professionals and so on.
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