I suppose it is easy for the stone throwers when Wakey are loosing games and there again when we win a game it is also easy for the sceptics to say how lucky we were. The bottom line is that early on last season nearly everyone was baying for Agars blood but then he turned the team around and won us 7 games on the bounce all of a sudden he could walk on water. It has been roughly the same this season and the hunting pack have been asking for his head on a platter but realisticly look at some of the players and no amount of "coaching" would have made these guys more alert, work harder or just concentrate on the game. Some guys on here were saying bring back John Kear !!!!!!! He was nearly at the point of being lynched on this forum when he was last here. I have to admit there must be better coaches in SL but who are they? Brian McDermot, Nobby, looking at the present form of their teams I suspect that their fans are dissapointed to say the least. So I think we should get behind the team and Agar both at the games and on the forums and send out positive vibes.

And that's the frustrating thing about this squad, they are good enough to compete against if not beat the top teams as they consistently show, they are certainly good enough to beat the mid/lower league teams, and had the rugby played against the lower half teams been as good as that played against the top teams we would have been a shoo in for the play offs.
Maybe they should change their mentality and sacrifice the fixtures against the top teams to concentrate on big performances against the teams around us who are competing for the same play off place.

Rumour doing the rounds is he'll go to France and stay there come seasons end.

Karl Harrison to come in.

Back from working away ... Most genius have one thing in commen they think they are right .which is fine as long as they are? , my view is he has done well with what he has got to work with with the monies available.

Its an interesting question this.
I think names such as genius, legend etc are bandied around far too often as to almost discount most of those with the label.
Lucky i think would be unfair although it certainly holds some water i.e limited injuies, the run of seven, bradford being docked points - all went in some way towards us getting the eigth spot last season.
From what i have seen and heard Agar is certainly a thinker however some of what is served up by way squad selection and substitutions appears to be nothing short of unfathomable.
I would argue that he is closer to lucky than genius, but i have no more faith in some of the suggested replacements that are named.
If he goes and stays in France (as ONE rumour suggested) i wouldn't lose any sleep about it.
I think on the whole we have a lot better squad now than when he started and if he continues to replace players with the likes of TT and Tuson and players of that calibre and strengthen where we need to and off load who we need to, next season lucks like being a strong one.
2012 was IMO a bit of a fluke, this season looks like it wont compare to an unrealistic 2012 so that is hard to argue either way, but next season could be the one and overall that is when Agar should be judged.

Tbf Kinley, when you look at our "average" SL finish then, assuming the wheels don't come off this time, Agar is doing ok, not prolific but, not bad and we've certainly had much worse in charge.
Having said that, IF we had lost at Salford, the outlook would have been a fair bit more pessimistic.
The Tuson signing is quite intriguing and i'm still trying to work out why he would come to Wakefield if he had an offer of any sort from Wigan.

Think I'm right in saying that Tuson as said he is coming to Wakey because form permitting he is gauranteed a start in the second row which at this stage in his career is what he needs.

Thats quite easy to work out, If Wigan [ureally[/u want to hold on to someone there is no way on earth they would allow Wakey would take him away.

Some great replies but sadly not to the question.

What I'm wondering is if Agar has this play off style football sussed. and isn't lucky but has again masterminded the best possible tilt at top 8 that we can manage with what we have?

We will know soon enough but just speculating.

Its hard to judge because unless we do it again this year, last year will be (rightly i think) judged "fortunate" and not down to Agar's coaching abilities - more down to circumstances.
If we do it this year taking out the factors that aided us last year i'd say there is an argument to say he has "the knack".
If he does it next year with ease, i'll be down the tattoo shop asking for "an Agar!!"
One answer is Genius? no, Nothing to back that up at all yet, and being frank totally unrealistic.
Another is, hard working outside the box and deep thinker on the game? likely.
One to answer will be at the end of next season, sucessful? hopefully yes!!

It's a good question and we'll find out in the next few weeks.
Doing it once [ucould[/u be seen as lucky but if it happens twice then you have to say evidence is in his favour.

I believe RFA is lucky, although we all appreciate resources are limited he as still had more than his recent predecessors  .the judgements he has made which have been supported  by his benefactor have in some instances worked. But it would be interesting to know where his squad would be without having to rectify the recruitment of pre last season . e.g. Southern , John , Ellis ,and still Mellows .Probably his biggest piece of luck was Millard leaving  Cas if he hadn’t they would have had TT instead of Ben Davies.

Dont think you can say Agar is giving his players an easy time early season and saving them so they have a better chance come the seasons end and be fitter for it.If that was the case Hull would have done miles better than they did late season than they did under Agar.Lady luck was the big player for us last season with injurys etc.For all we can defend like rabbits in the headlights at times we can score trys with the best.The one thing you can say about Agar is he can attract better players to join him.I still think he would make a cracking manager looking after players and doing the deals rather than a coach but thats just my opinion.If the rumour of him staying in france and Karl Harrison coming in then we would see our defence vastly improve but that would be at the cost of attack now if you could get the best out of bothb coaches.

I have no insider information but I am going to go out on a limb and say he will not stay in France and will continue with Wakefield as planned

Where's option 3

Ian Millward???

I hope not

Thats option 333

Even that's a bit close for comfort.

I'd rather have Boris Johnson in charge

Add a few zeros after that.

More like 666

Cant see Agar staying in France why would he full time coach at Wakey and part time coach of France money from both will be worth more than doing France job full time so why take a pay cut.

I can't see it either, thats why i said its just a rumour, i have heard it several times now but that just means it's travelling fast.

Getting more relevant?