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| Quote ="Willzay"But at least he was born in this country!'"
Only if we send out a GB team.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Only if we send out a GB team.'"
Which is exactly what we should be doing!
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| Quote ="bren2k"Which is exactly what we should be doing!'"
Yes indeed, GB all the way!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"He's Scottish!!!!
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Thats just the thing! he registered for england half way though this season,
He is the best british half back in the game bar none,
More to the point, he is a horrible hard begger that wont take a backwards step against the aussies and thats what we need among many other things, some serious agression out there
I'm really gutted he hasn't being picked
As for baily, I dare say that if burgess has being fit he wouldnt have being picked, however as much as i dislike baily, he has got size and he might be in there to niggle the hell out of the opposition, i'm not convinced that he'll be able to stand up to players that are as big as him though
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| The whole chase thing is a utter joke. Brough should be there hands down. But did we expect anything less from the waste of skin Mcnamara? Because I didnt.
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| Quote ="musson"As for baily, I dare say that if burgess has being fit he wouldnt have being picked, however as much as i dislike baily, he has got size and he might be in there to niggle the hell out of the opposition, i'm not convinced that he'll be able to stand up to players that are as big as him though'"
I think Bailey will go missing against the Aussies - the idea that he'll intimidate or niggle any of them is a joke.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I think Bailey will go missing against the Aussies - the idea that he'll intimidate or niggle any of them is a joke.'"
I agree if he does niggle he'll get sat on is backside but we all know he won't.
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| Quote ="musson"Thats just the thing! he registered for england half way though this season,
He is the best british half back in the game bar none,
More to the point, he is a horrible hard begger that wont take a backwards step against the aussies and thats what we need among many other things, some serious agression out there
I'm really gutted he hasn't being picked
As for baily, I dare say that if burgess has being fit he wouldnt have being picked, however as much as i dislike baily, he has got size and he might be in there to niggle the hell out of the opposition, i'm not convinced that he'll be able to stand up to players that are as big as him though'"
Tbh I'd have him in, but just out of principal, he chose to represent Scotland so that should be the end of it.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"The whole chase thing is a utter joke. Brough should be there hands down. But did we expect anything less from the waste of skin Mcnamara? Because I didnt.'"
The chase thing is a joke, but to choose a player that has already chosen and represented another country (which chase hasn't) is equally as bad.
Unfortunately representative sport is littered with "alien" players.
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| Quote ="musson"Thats just the thing! he registered for england half way though this season,
He is the best british half back in the game bar none,
More to the point, he is a horrible hard begger that wont take a backwards step against the aussies and thats what we need among many other things, some serious agression out there
I'm really gutted he hasn't being picked'"
Best thing about Brough is that he believes that he is the best player on the pitch regardless of who he is playing for or against the lad is an out and out winner.
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He'll get spanked if he tries it on with the Aussie forwards as he did when he tried it on with Sculthorpe a few years back.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"The chase thing is a joke, but to choose a player that has already chosen and represented another country (which chase hasn't) is equally as bad.
Unfortunately representative sport is littered with "alien" players.'"
Only because they wouldn't have him - he nailed his Kiwi colours to the mast very publicly just a few months ago, when he said that the Exiles game would give him a springboard to be picked, adding that it had been his boyhood dream to represent NZ.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Only because they wouldn't have him - he nailed his Kiwi colours to the mast very publicly just a few months ago, when he said that the Exiles game would give him a springboard to be picked, adding that it had been his boyhood dream to represent NZ.
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I wasn't defending the Chase decision, just highlighting to tthe poster, that having Brough in was just as dodgy a decision.
But that's international sport for you these days!
When England one the ashes and then beat India to become the number 1 ranked cricket team in the world, nobody was moaning that half of the players were from elsewhere!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"I wasn't defending the Chase decision, just highlighting to tthe poster, that having Brough in was just as dodgy a decision.
But that's international sport for you these days!
When England one the ashes and then beat India to become the number 1 ranked cricket team in the world, nobody was moaning that half of the players were from elsewhere!'"
I was neither celebrating or moaning to be honest - cricket is a matter of supreme indifference to me; it's got to be the dullest sport on the planet! I can't get into a game that takes 4 days to play, then can de declared a draw because it starts raining.
The only good thing about cricket in my view is that they stop for a cup of tea - can't beat a cuppa.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I was neither celebrating or moaning to be honest - cricket is a matter of supreme indifference to me; it's got to be the dullest sport on the planet! I can't get into a game that takes 4 days to play, then can de declared a draw because it starts raining.
The only good thing about cricket in my view is that they stop for a cup of tea - can't beat a cuppa.'"
Miserable sod!!!
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| Chase is a out and out Kiwi and played for maori not so long back. Its not right at all.
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| Dont think it really matters ... after watching the test this morning Australia look back to their imposing best.
England could select a number on non english players and still wouldnt have the quality or strength in depth the Aussies and maybe kiwis have. Especially in the core / pivot positions
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| I agree, GB is the way forward, even then though i'm not convinced we would be strong enough. Maybe we need 'Team Europe'
I know Chase got in on 'residency' but what [iexactly[/i are the conditions of that?
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| Quote ="J.T"Best thing about Brough is that he believes that he is the best player on the pitch regardless of who he is playing for or against the lad is an out and out winner.
He'll get spanked if he tries it on with the Aussie forwards as he did when he tried it on with Sculthorpe a few years back.'"
totally agree on the brough comment, seems we'll have to wait untill next year now to see if he can perform for england, his kicking game will defo be missed. macnamara obviously doesnt like brough, if i recall, he has registered from England before, then not being picked and ended up playing for scotland again, its am very odd carry on
on baily, there is no doubt he'll get spanked lol! although i very much hope he can perform, i'll support who ever is in the England shirt regardless of where they are from or how much of an utter 3rd man in thug they are
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| Either way i can't see past an easy australian tournament win. We are playing for a runners up spot.
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| Quote ="18th Man"I agree, GB is the way forward, even then though i'm not convinced we would be strong enough. Maybe we need 'Team Europe'
I know Chase got in on 'residency' but what [iexactly[/i are the conditions of that?'"
I thought you had to be living in the UK for 5 years to apply but apparently it is now 3 which would explain how chase has being able to switch
Its only a few years since we switched from GB to england, there would be no difference in the results even if we were GB, splitting the home nations is a must if we are to push the international game forward
The european ideas not a bad one though, basically aload of australians with roots in europe playing against aload of other aussies, i like it lol!
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| If Chase plays for England could he still play for New Zealand at a later date?
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| Quote ="musson"I thought you had to be living in the UK for 5 years to apply but apparently it is now 3'"
What a bloody stupid rule!
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The european ideas not a bad one though, basically aload of australians with roots in europe playing against aload of other aussies'"
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| Quote ="J.T"If Chase plays for England could he still play for New Zealand at a later date?'"
Yes, in the same way he will have applied to be british he would be able change back i'm sure, he's kiwi after all lol
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| Quote ="musson"Yes, in the same way he will have applied to be british he would be able change back i'm sure, he's kiwi after all lol'"
Well if the Kiwis beat England he could always try and make himself available for the final!
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| I think the international game lost all creditability long before Chase was selected. Whilst I still think he is the best scrum half in Super League, I believe Brough forfeited his right to play for England when he turned out for Scotland.
The problem for me now is that we have no going back. If the put in some top performances, picking the likes of Chase will be seen as a master stroke, and more Aussies and Kiwis will be encouraged to check their family trees. And if we take a spanking then I can only see more desperation creeping and McNamara and the others will look for a short term fix and the end result will be more foreigners playing for England.
As for internationals, I still think the only way to get the public's imagination is to revert back to Great Britain (and British players) and play the 3 match series against both Australia and New Zealand. I certianly won't be going to a Four Nations game.
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