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| It's from American Pie 3: The Wedding.
It's a dance off in a predominantly gay bar actually.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I would like to think that the game would be better off without agents, but it probably wouldn't; unscrupulous club owners would replace unscrupulous agents and young players would still be exploited, but in a different way.
What's more accurate to say is that the game would be better off without *some* agents.'"
The game would probably be better off without one or two agents. The overwhelming majority act in the players best interests.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"The game would probably be better off without one or two agents. The overwhelming majority act in the players best interests.'"
And there's the rub - the interests of an individual player are often to counter to the interests of the club that developed him, or the game as a whole.
Personally, I think that the RFL should centralise the work of agents - and while they're at it, they could oversee the creation of a proper players representative body, to replace the 'union' that Wilkin and a few of his mates set up as a lark.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"www.totalrl.com/wakefield-line-hadnt-sold-stars/'"
Prefer this team of players who got their go at Wakefield Trinity
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Murphy
Kaye
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Prefer this team of players who got their go at Wakefield Trinity
Jowitt
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Atkins
Murphy
Kaye
Brough
Wood
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Davy
Pitts
Ellis
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Wildie
Ferguson
Tautai
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No Brett Ferres?
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| This deserves it's own thread and not derailing the Johnstone one.
I'll tidy up later.
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| We can all pick a great 17 of junior players we wish our clubs had hung onto - Atkins and Ferres are two we let go that we should have kept.
Hope you keep Johnstone, the kid's a special talent.
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| [urlhttps://twitter.com/superleagueshow/status/721011908342628352[/url
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"[urlhttps://twitter.com/superleagueshow/status/721011908342628352[/url'"
Didn't appear to "hate" Brian Smith.
I certainly hope they "hate" Chris Chester just as much during the next close season
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| Quite interesting when he talks about the juggling and the 06:00 starts; but it's clear that he valued the 1:1 input. An insight into the dichotomy of Smith - weird and brilliant at the same time.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Quite interesting when he talks about the juggling and the 06:00 starts; but it's clear that he valued the 1:1 input. An insight into the dichotomy of Smith - weird and brilliant at the same time.'"
Yes the juggling thing was very interesting, probably one of those things that certain players would get something out of and others would hate. Listening to Tom it's clear BS did some good things while he was here, especially for him personally . On the other hand when he talks about the 6am starts and how buggered they all felt and how Chester has brought that fun back into their rugby that'#s reflected on the pitch, it's sort of shows the positive and negatives of BS coaching style.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Yes the juggling thing was very interesting, probably one of those things that certain players would get something out of and others would hate. Listening to Tom it's clear BS did some good things while he was here, especially for him personally . On the other hand when he talks about the 6am starts and how buggered they all felt and how Chester has brought that fun back into their ruggby that'#s reflected on the pitch, it's sort of shows the positive and negatives of BS coaching style.'"
But maybe the 6am starts and the fact that they were buggered is the reason the team look extra fit (compared with past seasons) and appears to be well conditioned injury wise?
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| Quote ="JINJER"But maybe the 6am starts and the fact that they were buggered is the reason the team look extra fit (compared with past seasons) and appears to be well conditioned injury wise?'"
Yeah the players probably hated it but it has actually done them all some good?
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| Quote ="JINJER"But maybe the 6am starts and the fact that they were buggered is the reason the team look extra fit (compared with past seasons) and appears to be well conditioned injury wise?'"
Could very well be, it was just how Tom spoke about it I didn't get that vibe. Maybe I just interpreted it the wrong way.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Could very well be, it was just how Tom spoke about it I didn't get that vibe. Maybe I just interpreted it the wrong way.'"
There can't be many people who relish the thought of getting out of bed at half five for work. Sometimes needs must, at least rugby players know it's hopefully only a short term measure.
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| My son gets out of bed every morning at 5.00 Monday to Friday for work.The plus side is when he finishes on Friday evening , that's it 'till Monday. Swings and roundabouts/nothing perfect etc.
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| I really hope CC looks very closely at what BS did close season. He doesn’t need to copy it verbatim, what he needs to do is create a more friendly less obviously intense version. Still tougher than the rest of SL but a slightly later start etc, let the players think they have gained a little. It needs to be slightly less tough, a bit more tough with love.
As for BS and the juggling, there you see the brilliance of the man, you can’t fail to see the reasoning even if it appears eccentric at times. Again CC needs to take the bones of this idea and run with it.
I always remember Solomona crediting his ball handling skills to playing basket ball as a teenager. Why not create an indoor hybrid version of the two sports and get the players to play it for fun in their wind down time after the main training. Create four teams and put up a trophy and a prize and make it competitive but safe, players love that kind of thing.
Linford Christie was a very fast runner but still needed a coach even after he’d won an Olympic Gold. So why are Johnstone and Jowitt any different? We don’t need a full time sprint coach just someone to join us for a few weeks and teach the lads technique and training methods. Sure there will be a few sprint coaches with empty diaries after the Olympics.
They are only little things but in this game you need every edge you can get and odd though he was Smith knew this and I hope Chester has it in him to break out and do it different rather than doing the standard SL second rate copy of an Aussie Coach.
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| Quote ="vastman"I really hope CC looks very closely at what BS did close season. He doesn’t need to copy it verbatim, what he needs to do is create a more friendly less obviously intense version. Still tougher than the rest of SL but a slightly later start etc, let the players think they have gained a little. It needs to be slightly less tough, a bit more tough with love.
As for BS and the juggling, there you see the brilliance of the man, you can’t fail to see the reasoning even if it appears eccentric at times. Again CC needs to take the bones of this idea and run with it.
I was saying this to someone the other day. CC is getting the plaudits & rightly so. It's a different world for Trinity fans when we are playing well & winning! However, this form is off the back of probably the most intensive pre season the club has had in years or perhaps ever. What's the saying, "train hard, fight easy!"
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| Quote ="Lockers700" This form is off the back of probably the most intensive preseason the club has had in years or perhaps ever'"
Really, how do you know that?
It was perhaps the most unnecessarily strict and punitive preseason that wasn't enjoyed or particularly valued by the players, especially those who were singled out for humiliation.
If Chris Chester has brought anything to the club it's relief!
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| Pre season training is supposed to be unpleasant and demanding, until you get back up to that level of fitness.
Pre season in the middle of winter, may as well be training at 6 in the morning, at least you get to knock off when there's still a bit of daylight!
The biggest step forward the club has made in the last 30 years, was the decision not to play Smith and Locke in the Million Pound game.
Decisions like this help to put professionalism back into the club and set the right example to players at the club and players coming in.
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| Didn't even Tom say pre season was helpful and the players seem to be the fittest they have been for a while .
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Really, how do you know that?
It was perhaps the most unnecessarily strict and punitive preseason that wasn't enjoyed or particularly valued by the players, especially those who were singled out for humiliation.
If Chris Chester has brought anything to the club it's relief!'"
To be honest, I arrived at that conclusion from the interviews & general vibe emitting from the club pre season. I don't pretend to have any inside knowledge which you appear to have but I would be interested to hear as I'm sure others would as to what occurred during these pre season training sessions. No need to name any players & cause any further embarrassment.
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| Brian smith's structures that he will have brought in will be the same as he used at the roosters 5 years ago. Though that seems a while ago they will be still light years ahead of alot SL structures due to the NRL's superior methods which has recently being shown in the world club challenges. His man management though has for years been shocking, especially players who are out of favour. I remember reading a column regarding Hindmarsh's time at Parramatta in which and still will be regarded as one of the best defensive forwards in rugby league history, everyone knows his freakish defensive abilities to read plays. Basically Smith got all the Parramatta team in to do video analysis and ostracised certain players saying "why can't you be like Nathan" with Hindmarsh saying he felt very uncomfortable and put strain amongst the team.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Really, how do you know that?
It was perhaps the most unnecessarily strict and punitive preseason that wasn't enjoyed or particularly valued by the players, especially those who were singled out for humiliation.
If Chris Chester has brought anything to the club it's relief!'"
So can you put any meat on the bones, I for one would be interested to a bit of background as to what the players disliked about BS training methods.
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