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| Quote ="The Avenger"
I have been told that the huge Amazon distribution centre being built in Leeds was originally earmarked for Newmarket but they were dissuaded from that site as the issue of the S106 would have been forced and neither Yorkcourt (or whatever they're called now) or the council want the issue exacerbating by another planning application.
It's obvious that both Yorkcourt and Box are playing the long game in the hopes that Wakefield Trinity will leave the City, get relegated or go bust leaving them free and clear to clean up.'"
This is the problem, there are buildings going up everywhere apart from Newmarket which we were told during the public enquiry was the best site around the area for developing. So why is nobody wanting to/being encouraged to build there, and are they actually being directed/persuaded to go elsewhere?
You're right in that Yorkcourt seem willing to wait it out, but surely the council should be doing all they can to encourage businesses to this site. Wasn't it changed in the LDF partly due to the amount of jobs that were going to be created up there??
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| At Alverthorpe planning has been given to develop units 15 metres from my garden fence. Went to the meeting with other objectors.What a fiasco. Asked in writing why Newmarket was not considered for said units. Got no reply!
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| Is waiting them out not an option? If they are waiting for us to move along so they can just build and not have to hook us up with a stadium, can't we just dig in and make the loss of profits a worse option than just building the damn stadium?
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Is waiting them out not an option? If they are waiting for us to move along so they can just build and not have to hook us up with a stadium, can't we just dig in and make the loss of profits a worse option than just building the damn stadium?'"
They could wait us out far longer than we could them.
As an aside, planning permission is only valid for 5 years or so if a start has not been made. With Newcold being under a separate planning application, has any work actually started on the original planning so not to void the outline. The road could constitute a start however I'm not sure if this was part of the Newcold development or not.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Is waiting them out not an option? If they are waiting for us to move along so they can just build and not have to hook us up with a stadium, can't we just dig in and make the loss of profits a worse option than just building the damn stadium?'"
Mackie is not stuck for cash...I believe his other on-going project is the large commercial/residential development at the bottom of Wrenthorpe by-pass which will no doubt net him another tidy profit.
I suspect he will be quite happy to keep Newmarket/Belle Vue on the back burner
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| I have been told that the huge Amazon distribution centre being built in Leeds was originally earmarked for Newmarket but they were dissuaded from that site as the issue of the S106 would have been forced and neither Yorkcourt (or whatever they're called now) or the council want the issue exacerbating by another planning application.
It's obvious that both Yorkcourt and Box are playing the long game in the hopes that Wakefield Trinity will leave the City, get relegated or go bust leaving them free and clear to clean up.'"
I am sorry but you actually believe Wakefield would turn away Jobs and investment just to avoid the possibility that the developer and land owner would have to build us a stadium. The stadium would be of benefit to Wakefield council because I don't think the arrangement required them to put any money into it so why should they side with the developer. I thought some of the other posts were crazy but this is by far the one that is most out there.
i would reiterate other than some wild allegations can someone explain to me on what grounds we could pursue the council through the courts.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell":3g9ve7zoI have been told that the huge Amazon distribution centre being built in Leeds was originally earmarked for Newmarket but they were dissuaded from that site as the issue of the S106 would have been forced and neither Yorkcourt (or whatever they're called now) or the council want the issue exacerbating by another planning application.
It's obvious that both Yorkcourt and Box are playing the long game in the hopes that Wakefield Trinity will leave the City, get relegated or go bust leaving them free and clear to clean up.'"
So do you think that all that as gone on up to now as been aboveboard? Because I don't think so. I'm not clever enough to give you the evidence you ask for and I don't believe you are to convince me otherwise . Regarding creating new jobs !! Thousands have been lost in other industries for years due to politicians so yes, I do think they couldn't give a toss .
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| Quote I am sorry but you actually believe Wakefield would turn away Jobs and investment just to avoid the possibility that the developer and land owner would have to build us a stadium. The stadium would be of benefit to Wakefield council because I don't think the arrangement required them to put any money into it so why should they side with the developer. I thought some of the other posts were crazy but this is by far the one that is most out there.
i would reiterate other than some wild allegations can someone explain to me on what grounds we could pursue the council through the courts.
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Yes
Back handers
You've lived a sheltered life then
Dereliction of Duty
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| Scarlett was the only one defended James Elston so I'm not surprised to see him act naive with regards to Box's and Yorkcourts actions.
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| All I ask is for someone to tell me on what grounds we could pursue a legal case against the council and the developer. All I have heard so far is hearsay, the only certainty is that regardless of the location of the cold store it would not trigger a new stadium.
I await your update enlightening all of us.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"All I ask is for someone to tell me on what grounds we could pursue a legal case against the council and the developer. All I have heard so far is hearsay, the only certainty is that regardless of the location of the cold store it would not trigger a new stadium.
I await your update enlightening all of us.'"
I would think you're the last person on this forum anybody would want to divulge any pro-Wakefied information to.
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| Guys be careful when you start throwing phrases like 'back handers' around.
Can't go accusing people of illegal things without evidence. And if you have evidence, go to the police.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"All I ask is for someone to tell me on what grounds we could pursue a legal case against the council and the developer. All I have heard so far is hearsay, the only certainty is that regardless of the location of the cold store it would not trigger a new stadium.
I await your update enlightening all of us.'"
You're right about the trigger point, but the fact Newcold was permitted outside of the 106 is a start. Plus the phoney legal advice apparently provided to the council. Still any challenge will at best prevent any more development, it won't deliver a new stadium. There is no money to build one.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Guys be careful when you start throwing phrases like 'back handers' around.
Can't go accusing people of illegal things without evidence. And if you have evidence, go to the police.'" Do you mean the corrupt police or the one you just imagined exists?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"You're right about the trigger point, but the fact Newcold was permitted outside of the 106 is a start. Plus the phoney legal advice apparently provided to the council.'"
I would imagine that would be the basis for any action; the decision to allow Newcold outside the UU was bizarre, and seems to suggest that WMDC were at best stupidly naïve, or at worst, colluded with the developer to swerve the responsibility HM Inspector placed upon them - to the detriment of the community.
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| Quote ="inside man"Do you mean the corrupt police or the one you just imagined exists?'"
let me rephrase then
Take it somewhere so that something can be done about it.
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| Some interesting reading on the CPS.GOV website, pertaining to the Actions and Duties of Council Officers
Now let me make this clear, I am not accusing anyone of wrongdoing, that is not my call.
Whether anyone has or hasn't will no doubt be revealed in the fullness of time and through the proper legal channels.
Breaches of duty
Some of the most difficult cases involve breaches of public duty that do not involve dishonesty or corruption.
In all cases, however, the following matters should be addressed:
Was there a breach of a duty owed to the public (not merely an employment duty or a general duty of care)?
Was the breach more than merely negligent or attributable to incompetence or a mistake (even a serious one)?
Did the defendant have a subjective awareness of a duty to act or subjective recklessness as to the existence of a duty?
Did the defendant have a subjective awareness that the action or omission might be unlawful?
Did the defendant have a subjective awareness of the likely consequences of the action or omission.
Did the officer realise (subjective test) that there was a risk not only that his or her conduct was unlawful but also a risk that the consequences of that behaviour would occur?
Were those consequences 'likely' as viewed subjectively by the defendant? Did the officer realise that those consequences were 'likely' and yet went on to take the risk?
Regard must be had to motive.
Dishonesty or corrupt behaviour are not essential elements of the offence of misconduct or dereliction of duty in public office.
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| Quote ="inside man"Do you mean the corrupt police or the one you just imagined exists?'"
Presumably there is a connection between the above comment and your username?
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| With my above post in mind, Council Officers knew full well of the existence of a S106 within the UU.
They knew that the S106 placed on the land in question was "non aggregatable" meaning that the S106 was enforceable on this or any other subsequent planning permission involving that piece of land.
Yet
When Yorkcourt changed the planning application for the Newcold building the WMDC Officers failed to adhere to the legally binding S106 ruling placed on the land by the Secretary of State. They allowed the build to fall outside the S106 ruling and therefore aggregated the land against the express ruling of the Secretary of States wishes.
The behaviour of certain Council Officers when questioned on this is suspicious to say the least and leads one to believe that they knew they had acted wrongly if not before the fact then after.
However, it matters not in cases of Breaches of Duty as laid out in my previous post.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"Presumably there is a connection between the above comment and your username?
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No, I'm merely in love with Joanna Lumley
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Interestingly enough (or not for those who aren't bothered) Michael Carter has asked Gary Neville about the contractor who is constructing the new stand at Salford City football club.
It happens to be these guys.
https://m.facebook.com/pjsteel.co.uk/?locale2=en_GB
Whether it's for BV or Dewsbury, well only one man knows.
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Interestingly enough (or not for those who aren't bothered) Michael Carter has asked Gary Neville about the contractor who is constructing the new stand at Salford City football club.
It happens to be these guys.
https://m.facebook.com/pjsteel.co.uk/?locale2=en_GB
Whether it's for BV or Dewsbury, well only one man knows.
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| I have just looked this company up.
They appear to be a contracting company that erect temporarary stands just like what Vastman was talking about a few weeks ago on here.
Was looking at some of the pictures and the stands look quite tidy.
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Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Interestingly enough (or not for those who aren't bothered) Michael Carter has asked Gary Neville about the contractor who is constructing the new stand at Salford City football club.
It happens to be these guys.
https://m.facebook.com/pjsteel.co.uk/?locale2=en_GB
Whether it's for BV or Dewsbury, well only one man knows.'"
Temporary stand for temporary home maybe.
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Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Interestingly enough (or not for those who aren't bothered) Michael Carter has asked Gary Neville about the contractor who is constructing the new stand at Salford City football club.
It happens to be these guys.
https://m.facebook.com/pjsteel.co.uk/?locale2=en_GB
Whether it's for BV or Dewsbury, well only one man knows.'"
Temporary stand for temporary home maybe.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Temporary stand for temporary home maybe.'"
I think these are more than temporary. However I guess they are transferable.
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| Mmm. I wonder how long the temporary arrangement would be.
Temporary until Newmarket is built or Belle Vue re vamped.
Could there even be another venue that is being earmarked as a potential development site.
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